Cutting edge moved or shifting to .deb?

Cutting edge moved or shifting to .deb?

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Hi List,

Can someone provide us with a list of repositories for cutting edge
.rpm packages?  dev.linuxppc.org should be devel.linuxppc.org, but
apart from Franz Sirl's regular glibc/binutils/gcc/rpm updates (grand!),
not much seems to happen anymore since last September.  There's an 
almost-M12 mozilla, that crashes when I type in an url.  Then, there's
some odd stuff in contrib and updates at ftp.linuxppc.org.

On the other hand, ftp.<cc>.debian.org has stuff such as XFree 3.3.6,
emacs-20.5 (which is good, I was having a lot of trouble with my 20.3
emacs), a recent mozilla-M12, that can be alienised, but the glibc seems
to be 'stuck' at libc6_2.1.2-5.deb. 

Kernel development seems to have moved from vger to openprojects to
Paul's at linuxcare: rsync -auvz linuxcare.com.au::linux-pmac-devel.
I was able to compile and boot the 2.3.39 kernel, with only minor
troubles.  Initially, X (fbdev) comes up with a distorted screen,
but after a circle of zooming (C-M-+), it's fine.  Also, my eth0 (Bmac)
and eth1 (pci) get swapped, which makes for silly network-setup
problems.

On a related, totally off-topic note: I can't seem to find how to
verify package integrity with dpkg, eg, the equivalent for rpm --verify.

I've setup a partition this summer with a minimal debian installation,
just to test it out.  But at that time, I had only low-bandwidth and
deer internet access.  The debian distribution was having quite some
problems then, and updating by burning a cdrom a week didn't really work
for me.  Now I'm using that partition to run compiles on: I removed all
docs and other stuff, so that a lot of packages should be reinstalled.
However, `chroot /mnt/debian/root dpkg --audit', and `dpkg --status
<some-doc-truncated-package>' say all is ok?  How to fix and upgrade
this?

Greetings,

Jan.

-- 
Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien       | http://www.lilypond.org

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Re: Cutting edge moved or shifting to .deb?

[Dan Burcaw]

You can grab latest YDL development stuff at
ftp://ftp.devel.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/ruffpack

Some of these packages do have YDL specific modifications, patches, etc.
but if you want more current stuff it is available.

Regards,
Dan

> 
> Hi List,
> 
> Can someone provide us with a list of repositories for cutting edge
> .rpm packages?  dev.linuxppc.org should be devel.linuxppc.org, but
> apart from Franz Sirl's regular glibc/binutils/gcc/rpm updates (grand!),
> not much seems to happen anymore since last September.  There's an 
> almost-M12 mozilla, that crashes when I type in an url.  Then, there's
> some odd stuff in contrib and updates at ftp.linuxppc.org.
> 
> On the other hand, ftp.<cc>.debian.org has stuff such as XFree 3.3.6,
> emacs-20.5 (which is good, I was having a lot of trouble with my 20.3
> emacs), a recent mozilla-M12, that can be alienised, but the glibc seems
> to be 'stuck' at libc6_2.1.2-5.deb. 
> 
> Kernel development seems to have moved from vger to openprojects to
> Paul's at linuxcare: rsync -auvz linuxcare.com.au::linux-pmac-devel.
> I was able to compile and boot the 2.3.39 kernel, with only minor
> troubles.  Initially, X (fbdev) comes up with a distorted screen,
> but after a circle of zooming (C-M-+), it's fine.  Also, my eth0 (Bmac)
> and eth1 (pci) get swapped, which makes for silly network-setup
> problems.
> 
> On a related, totally off-topic note: I can't seem to find how to
> verify package integrity with dpkg, eg, the equivalent for rpm --verify.
> 
> I've setup a partition this summer with a minimal debian installation,
> just to test it out.  But at that time, I had only low-bandwidth and
> deer internet access.  The debian distribution was having quite some
> problems then, and updating by burning a cdrom a week didn't really work
> for me.  Now I'm using that partition to run compiles on: I removed all
> docs and other stuff, so that a lot of packages should be reinstalled.
> However, `chroot /mnt/debian/root dpkg --audit', and `dpkg --status
> <some-doc-truncated-package>' say all is ok?  How to fix and upgrade
> this?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Jan.
> 
> -- 
> Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien       | http://www.lilypond.org
> 
> 

Regards,
Dan

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Re: Cutting edge moved or shifting to .deb?

[Martin Costabel]

Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> Can someone provide us with a list of repositories for cutting edge
> .rpm packages?  dev.linuxppc.org should be devel.linuxppc.org, but
> apart from Franz Sirl's regular glibc/binutils/gcc/rpm updates (grand!),
> not much seems to happen anymore since last September.  There's an
> almost-M12 mozilla, that crashes when I type in an url.  Then, there's
> some odd stuff in contrib and updates at ftp.linuxppc.org.

There is some pretty interesting recent stuff in contrib, but have you
ever thought about contributing yourself? The current versions of gcc
and glibc 
are so stable that you can basically take the latest *.src.rpms or even 
tgzs from anywhere and compile them with only minor tweaking.
 
> On the other hand, ftp.<cc>.debian.org has stuff such as XFree 3.3.6,
> emacs-20.5 (which is good, I was having a lot of trouble with my 20.3

ftp.mklinux.org has new RPMS, for example emacs-20.5 RPMS. The latest
xemacs versions (both stable and devel) also exist as RPMS or are easily
compilable.

And then it looks like a major new release from linuxppc.com is
imminent...

> emacs), a recent mozilla-M12, that can be alienised, but the glibc seems
> to be 'stuck' at libc6_2.1.2-5.deb.
> 
> Kernel development seems to have moved from vger to openprojects to
> Paul's at linuxcare: rsync -auvz linuxcare.com.au::linux-pmac-devel.

Vger is quite alive in recent days. I have their kernel versions
2.2.15-pre2
and 2.3.40 (pre something), both running OK for me.

Considering that this is such a small community and that there is quite
a lot of competition of LinuxPPC and MkLinux, YDL and imaclinux,
turbolinux, debian, SuSE (far too much for my taste), I think the amount
of development coming out of it is rather awesome. 

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Martin

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Re: Cutting edge moved or shifting to .deb?

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

On Sunday, 16 January 2000, Martin Costabel writes:

> There is some pretty interesting recent stuff in contrib, but have you
> ever thought about contributing yourself? The current versions of gcc

Uhm, that's partly why I'm asking.  I'm contributing LilyPond (see sig),
eg, which I'd like to give the best part of my time.  Also, I don't have
the resourses (disk space) to contribute X11 or Mozilla.  I can't
imagine that I'm the only one (or first one for that matter), wanting a
more stable version of Emacs, for example?

Yesterday, I found that vanilla Emacs-20.5a doesn't easily compile for
ppc (using modified 20.3 patches).  Now, before my (LilyPond) development
efforts grinds to a halt, in favour of maintaining important parts of
my own distribution, I'd just like to know if I'm missing some important
ftp site: will anybody use my emacs-20.5 if I manage to put up an rpm on
contrib, or has everyone already got it from somewhere else?

> and glibc 
> are so stable that you can basically take the latest *.src.rpms or even 
> tgzs from anywhere and compile them with only minor tweaking.

Yes, that's really grand.  So much better than, say, a year ago.

> > On the other hand, ftp.<cc>.debian.org has stuff such as XFree 3.3.6,
> > emacs-20.5 (which is good, I was having a lot of trouble with my 20.3
> 
> ftp.mklinux.org has new RPMS, for example emacs-20.5 RPMS. The latest

Ok, thanks.  Should have posted my questions yesterday :-)

> xemacs versions (both stable and devel) also exist as RPMS or are easily
> compilable.
> 
> And then it looks like a major new release from linuxppc.com is
> imminent...

I've been expecting this for some time, but how can one tell?

> > emacs), a recent mozilla-M12, that can be alienised, but the glibc seems
> > to be 'stuck' at libc6_2.1.2-5.deb.
> > 
> > Kernel development seems to have moved from vger to openprojects to
> > Paul's at linuxcare: rsync -auvz linuxcare.com.au::linux-pmac-devel.
> 
> Vger is quite alive in recent days. I have their kernel versions
> 2.2.15-pre2
> and 2.3.40 (pre something), both running OK for me.

Ah.  I tried some days ago, and it had the same problems with pmac_nvram.c
(missing .h include) as Linus' tree.  I'll have another look.

> turbolinux, debian, SuSE (far too much for my taste), I think the amount
> of development coming out of it is rather awesome. 

It is.  But it helps if you know where to look.

Thanks for some pointers,

Jan.

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http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien       | http://www.lilypond.org

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Re: Cutting edge moved or shifting to .deb?

[David N. Welton]

<debian developer hat>

On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 05:44:08PM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:

> On the other hand, ftp.<cc>.debian.org has stuff such as XFree
> 3.3.6, emacs-20.5 (which is good, I was having a lot of trouble with
> my 20.3 emacs), a recent mozilla-M12, that can be alienised, but the
> glibc seems to be 'stuck' at libc6_2.1.2-5.deb.

Yes, and being an open organization, anyone can participate,
contribute bug fixes, and discuss the state of things on the mailing
lists.  What's more, you get the same environment across all
architectures, which currently include ARM, Alpha, m68k, i386, the
early stages of a mips port, ppc, and sparc.  Most of the non i386
architectures are supported by autobuilder systems which let them keep
up with i386, where most of the development occurs.  And there are a
*lot* of .deb's available.

> On a related, totally off-topic note: I can't seem to find how to
> verify package integrity with dpkg, eg, the equivalent for rpm
> --verify.

Dpkg doesn't work that way, although the capability might be added in
the future.  Ask on the debian lists for details.

> I've setup a partition this summer with a minimal debian
> installation, just to test it out.  But at that time, I had only
> low-bandwidth and deer internet access.  The debian distribution was
> having quite some problems then, and updating by burning a cdrom a
> week didn't really work for me.  Now I'm using that partition to run
> compiles on: I removed all docs and other stuff, so that a lot of
> packages should be reinstalled.  However, `chroot /mnt/debian/root
> dpkg --audit', and `dpkg --status <some-doc-truncated-package>' say
> all is ok?  How to fix and upgrade this?

Well, if your packages are out of date, you can just grab all the
latest ones, which should reinstall all the necessary files that have
been wiped.  That's a good place to start, at least.

You really want to get 'apt' up and running - it's fantastic!  It
allows you to run commands like "apt-get install emacs20" and it will
go fetch emacs off the net for you and install it.  If you currently
have apt on there, you can run "apt-get update", and "apt-get
dist-upgrade", and that should get you the latest versions of
everything.

</debian developer hat>

Good luck,
-- 
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415.354.4878 x241 tel, 415.701.7457 fax
davidw@linuxcare.com, http://www.linuxcare.com/
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