booting with quik off hard disk on 7220

booting with quik off hard disk on 7220

[Steven Hanley]

All

well I got past the problem with the video mode thanks to ethan benson's
suggestions of using a hex editor to set vmode.

Anyway the problem I now have is that I cant get the machine to boot off
hard disk with quik. (BootX worked when I used the machine with macos and
ydl, however I wanted to get rid of macos now I have debian)

I have the quik.conf
partition=6
root=/dev/hda6
timeout=1
image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.17
label=linux
read-only
append="video=atyfb:vmode:6"

the only real change from the quik.conf deb install generated is I added the
append line and I changed the image to point to /boot/vmlinux-2/2/17 rather
than /vmlinux as I read in a post ethan benson wrote to debian-powerpc (in
the archive somewhere) saying that symlinks are not reliable with quik on
these computers.

I have got a debian base install on the machine now but cant continue with
the install as I am still booting off the hfs debian boot floppy and root
floppy.

So I have a file I run when i boot off floppy that does some nvsetenv stuff
this is
nvsetenv boot-device ata/ata-disk@0:0
nvsetenv input-device kbd
nvsetenv output-device screen
nvsetenv boot-file ' /boot/vmlinux-2.2.17 root=/dev/hda6'
quik

the boot device seems to be correct, although that ofpath script when I run
./ofpath /dev/hda reports "This machine is not suhpported: AAPL,e826"
I looked through /proc/device-tree myself and the ata and ata-disk things
are there where it seems they should be.

I dont get output from OF on this machine when I enter OF at bootup (7200
dont get OF display or something) but if I dont set the input and output
device I dont see anything from quik, when they are set I see the grey
screen for the quik second stage loader.

If I dont have the boot-file set quik asks me every time to enter the
boot-file argument. I have the space infront of /boot as I read in some post
to debian-powerpc that the 7200 series needed the space there.

the partition map for the machine has hda[1234] as the apple partitions for
drivers and such. Then it has Swap on hda5
/dev/hda5 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 Swap 262144 @ 704 (128.0M) Linux Swap
and / on hda6
/dev/hda6 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 Linux_Root 2097152 @ 262848 ( 1.0G) Linux Native

and then some free space after that.

Now when I boot up I get the quik second stage loader and it has a spinning
| / - \ thing briefly and then the screen goes entirely blank wnad there is
no hard disk activity or anything.

I am wondering how to get the machine to boot.

I have seen in many places mentions of the 7200 with scsi not spinning the
disks up fast enough for booting and the quik boot fails, so there are small
scripts to make it wait around on maling lists, however I have seen mention
of the fact this only affects scsi and that ide doesnt have the slow spin up
problem. So for now I have discounted that as being the cause.

I am guessing I may need to get a serial cable link up to have a look and
play around in OF to get this running. (unless someone can tell me how to
get it running with out this) Though it would be good to be able to see OF I
suppose and thus I am wondering what cables I need to hook up the little
round modem or printer port on the back of the machine to an x86 box, I have
a null modem cable and all, but not something that will speak to the little
modem or printer ports on the mac. I saw the details in some list post
yesterday arvo but didnt make a note of it and now cant find that post again
searching for likely keywords on google.

I am using google a lot more than the new search capability on debian
mailing lists it seems as the debian mailing list searcher seems to return
no matches more often than not for most searches. And yet I find those same
things often when reading through the debian powerpc archives manually.
Alas...

Thanks

	See You
	    Steve

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Re: booting with quik off hard disk on 7220

[Ethan Benson]

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On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 01:43:38PM +1100, Steven Hanley wrote:
> 
> I have the quik.conf
> partition=6
> root=/dev/hda6
> timeout=1
> image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.17
> label=linux
> read-only
> append="video=atyfb:vmode:6"

looks ok, though i think it would be easier to read if you format it
with the indented image section:

partition=6
root=/dev/hda6
timeout=10

image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.17
	label=linux
	read-only
	append="video=atyfb:vmode:6"

but then im just a nitpicker ;-)

btw i think you want timeout=10 not 1, that is in tenths of seconds. 

> So I have a file I run when i boot off floppy that does some nvsetenv stuff
> this is
> nvsetenv boot-device ata/ata-disk@0:0

should be close..

> nvsetenv input-device kbd
> nvsetenv output-device screen

this may or may not do you any good if your machine lacks a OF video
driver. 

> nvsetenv boot-file ' /boot/vmlinux-2.2.17 root=/dev/hda6'

this is redunant, when you have a proper quik.conf you don't need the
boot-file variable, in fact it seems to bork things up in my
experience helping someone with a 7200.  i would null out the
boot-file variable.

> quik
> 
> the boot device seems to be correct, although that ofpath script when I run
> ./ofpath /dev/hda reports "This machine is not suhpported: AAPL,e826"
> I looked through /proc/device-tree myself and the ata and ata-disk things
> are there where it seems they should be.

yeah that is basically what ofpath does, would it be possible for you
to give me temporary shell access so i could add support to ofpath for
it?  if not i can ask you some questions and figure it out. more then
likely its exactly the same as a 7200 or a 7300 but has a different
compatible entry.  

> I dont get output from OF on this machine when I enter OF at bootup (7200
> dont get OF display or something) but if I dont set the input and output
> device I dont see anything from quik, when they are set I see the grey
> screen for the quik second stage loader.

hmm im not sure i understand this...  

> If I dont have the boot-file set quik asks me every time to enter the
> boot-file argument. I have the space infront of /boot as I read in some post
> to debian-powerpc that the 7200 series needed the space there.

really?  i have a friend booting a 7200 with no boot-file variable set
and it boots just fine.  boot-file overrides /etc/quik.conf iirc.  

> the partition map for the machine has hda[1234] as the apple partitions for
> drivers and such. Then it has Swap on hda5

just a note you don't need all that driver crap with quik booting.

> /dev/hda5 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 Swap 262144 @ 704 (128.0M) Linux Swap
> and / on hda6
> /dev/hda6 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 Linux_Root 2097152 @ 262848 ( 1.0G) Linux Native

its better to name these `swap' and `root' respectivly as that is what
the kernel actually looks for, but if you specify root= in quik.conf
it doesn't really matter.

> and then some free space after that.
> 
> Now when I boot up I get the quik second stage loader and it has a spinning
> | / - \ thing briefly and then the screen goes entirely blank wnad there is
> no hard disk activity or anything.

ah it sounds like its loading the kernel but the kernel is hanging.
that is how my friends 7200 always failed with 2.2.15/16 kernels.  

> I am wondering how to get the machine to boot.
> 
> I have seen in many places mentions of the 7200 with scsi not spinning the
> disks up fast enough for booting and the quik boot fails, so there are small
> scripts to make it wait around on maling lists, however I have seen mention
> of the fact this only affects scsi and that ide doesnt have the slow spin up
> problem. So for now I have discounted that as being the cause.

yeah the spinup problem usually results in quik barfing with DEFAULT
CACHE type errors.

> I am guessing I may need to get a serial cable link up to have a look and
> play around in OF to get this running. (unless someone can tell me how to
> get it running with out this) Though it would be good to be able to see OF I
> suppose and thus I am wondering what cables I need to hook up the little
> round modem or printer port on the back of the machine to an x86 box, I have
> a null modem cable and all, but not something that will speak to the little
> modem or printer ports on the mac. I saw the details in some list post
> yesterday arvo but didnt make a note of it and now cant find that post again
> searching for likely keywords on google.

i think you just need an ordinary mac serial cable, like you use for
printers and such, then use a comm program like minicom or Zterm if
your stuck with MacOS on the other box.  

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

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Re: booting with quik off hard disk on 7220

[Steven Hanley]

On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 06:09:24PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > nvsetenv boot-file ' /boot/vmlinux-2.2.17 root=/dev/hda6'
>
> this is redunant, when you have a proper quik.conf you don't need the
> boot-file variable, in fact it seems to bork things up in my
> experience helping someone with a 7200.  i would null out the
> boot-file variable.

hmm so what should be in quik.conf instead? With my current quik.conf if I
dont have that variable set quik stops on the grey screen where the boot:
prompt is and asks me to enter a [device:][partno]/path which if I enter
device and boot-file vairable settings in will then boot into the blank
screen with no hard disk activity just like it does now.

> > quik
> >
> > the boot device seems to be correct, although that ofpath script when I run
> > ./ofpath /dev/hda reports "This machine is not suhpported: AAPL,e826"
> > I looked through /proc/device-tree myself and the ata and ata-disk things
> > are there where it seems they should be.
>
> yeah that is basically what ofpath does, would it be possible for you
> to give me temporary shell access so i could add support to ofpath for
> it?  if not i can ask you some questions and figure it out. more then
> likely its exactly the same as a 7200 or a 7300 but has a different
> compatible entry.

yeah happy to give you shell access to the machine as soon as I have debian
installed and working, I can take the computer and put it online somewhere
for a while.

> > I dont get output from OF on this machine when I enter OF at bootup (7200
> > dont get OF display or something) but if I dont set the input and output
> > device I dont see anything from quik, when they are set I see the grey
> > screen for the quik second stage loader.
>
> hmm im not sure i understand this...

oh well the grey screen with the second stage boot loader and the
boot: prompt for quik, this doesnt show up unless I set the output device,
the computer on power on or reboot without setting theoutput device after I
have done a command option p r just sits there with a black screen and no
disk activity (kind of like I am either in OF or have gotten past the quik
boot: prompt and have that blank screen there.)

> > If I dont have the boot-file set quik asks me every time to enter the
> > boot-file argument. I have the space infront of /boot as I read in some post
> > to debian-powerpc that the 7200 series needed the space there.
>
> really?  i have a friend booting a 7200 with no boot-file variable set
> and it boots just fine.  boot-file overrides /etc/quik.conf iirc.
>
> > the partition map for the machine has hda[1234] as the apple partitions for
> > drivers and such. Then it has Swap on hda5
>
> just a note you don't need all that driver crap with quik booting.

oh good, when I still had macos on the machine I thought it was probably
safer to leave it there, but now I dnt need bootx I wont need them anymore
either it seems :)

> > /dev/hda5 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 Swap 262144 @ 704 (128.0M) Linux Swap
> > and / on hda6
> > /dev/hda6 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 Linux_Root 2097152 @ 262848 ( 1.0G) Linux Native
>
> its better to name these `swap' and `root' respectivly as that is what
> the kernel actually looks for, but if you specify root= in quik.conf
> it doesn't really matter.

hmm okay well I shall try changing them anyway as there could be some need
for them to be set if quik is not interacting as well as it should with this
machine.

> > Now when I boot up I get the quik second stage loader and it has a spinning
> > | / - \ thing briefly and then the screen goes entirely blank wnad there is
> > no hard disk activity or anything.
>
> ah it sounds like its loading the kernel but the kernel is hanging.
> that is how my friends 7200 always failed with 2.2.15/16 kernels.

hmm, okay well I just tried a 2.2.18pre18 kernel I had compiled (that worked
on the machine with bootx) rsynced from paulus' stable tree a few days ago
and it also gave me a black screen and no disk activity.

I will try to track down a tarball of 2.2.10 (I believe there is still one
on ftp.linuxcare.com.au) and try it next and home it works. Will also try
the changing of the partition labels to swap and root.

> i think you just need an ordinary mac serial cable, like you use for
> printers and such, then use a comm program like minicom or Zterm if
> your stuck with MacOS on the other box.

hmm I dont have another mac around, I am wondering what sort of cables I
have to go to a cable place and ask for to have one I can hook up to a null
modem cable or something and speak to minicom on an x86 box.

Thanks

	See You
	    Steve

--
sjh@wibble.net http://wibble.net/~sjh/
Look Up In The Sky
   Is it a bird?  No
      Is it a plane?  No
         Is it a small blue banana?
YES

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Re: booting with quik off hard disk on 7220

[Ethan Benson]

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On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 03:27:02PM +1100, Steven Hanley wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 06:09:24PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > > nvsetenv boot-file ' /boot/vmlinux-2.2.17 root=/dev/hda6'
> > 
> > this is redunant, when you have a proper quik.conf you don't need the
> > boot-file variable, in fact it seems to bork things up in my
> > experience helping someone with a 7200.  i would null out the
> > boot-file variable.
> 
> hmm so what should be in quik.conf instead? With my current quik.conf if I
> dont have that variable set quik stops on the grey screen where the boot:
> prompt is and asks me to enter a [device:][partno]/path which if I enter
> device and boot-file vairable settings in will then boot into the blank
> screen with no hard disk activity just like it does now.

odd that doesn't happen on my friend's 7200, maybe try adding device=
to quik.conf with the correct OF device (but not the image name) 

device=ata/ata@0:0 or something like that. 

> yeah happy to give you shell access to the machine as soon as I have debian
> installed and working, I can take the computer and put it online somewhere
> for a while.

cool, let me know when you have time.

> oh well the grey screen with the second stage boot loader and the
> boot: prompt for quik, this doesnt show up unless I set the output device,
> the computer on power on or reboot without setting theoutput device after I
> have done a command option p r just sits there with a black screen and no
> disk activity (kind of like I am either in OF or have gotten past the quik
> boot: prompt and have that blank screen there.)

ah i see, interesting, sounds like quik has its own minimal video
driver, this way OF itself won't show up since it has no driver, but
quik will since it has its own.  nifty.

> oh good, when I still had macos on the machine I thought it was probably
> safer to leave it there, but now I dnt need bootx I wont need them anymore
> either it seems :)

yup ;)

> hmm, okay well I just tried a 2.2.18pre18 kernel I had compiled (that worked
> on the machine with bootx) rsynced from paulus' stable tree a few days ago
> and it also gave me a black screen and no disk activity.

a serial terminal might help here, some OpenFirmware messages are
usually printed but you can't see them unless you have  serial term.
whether they are helpful or not i don't know.  a kernel hacker could
help you better there. 

> I will try to track down a tarball of 2.2.10 (I believe there is still one
> on ftp.linuxcare.com.au) and try it next and home it works. Will also try
> the changing of the partition labels to swap and root.

try a 2.2.14 too.  though 2.2.17 was the first since .14 that worked
fine on my friend's 7200.

> hmm I dont have another mac around, I am wondering what sort of cables I
> have to go to a cable place and ask for to have one I can hook up to a null
> modem cable or something and speak to minicom on an x86 box.

i think mac serial ports are identical to x86 serial ports, they just
use a different type of plug, i think there are converters for mac->standard

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

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