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From: Cort Dougan <cort@fsmlabs.com>
To: David Edelsohn <dje@watson.ibm.com>
Cc: paulus@linuxcare.com.au, Dan Malek <dan@mvista.com>,
	Gabriel Paubert <paubert@iram.es>,
	tom_gall@vnet.ibm.com, linuxppc-commit@hq.fsmlabs.com,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.linuxppc.org>
Subject: Re: context overflow
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:26:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010208152641.P24312@hq.fsmlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200102082208.RAA22218@mal-ach.watson.ibm.com>; from David Edelsohn on Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 05:08:32PM -0500


} statements about which VMM design is best.  You can create a wonderful
} engineer solution, but are you solving the problem or simply masking a
} symptom?

Would you characterize AIX as an OS that takes advantage of the VMM design
of the PowerPC?  From the benchmarks I did it appeared to suffer the same
problem that Linux/PPC did at that time.  The problem being, a
straightforward implementation of the software side of the VM design of the
PowerPC.  After some general improvements in the MM system of Linux/PPC we
sped things up by a large amount by doing what you claim is a mistake.  We
widened the gap between Linux/PPC and what was probably the best example of
what VM design can come from knowledge of the PPC architecture (in AIX).

AIX can't claim to be doing it better.  I was unable to look under the hood
of AIX, of course, but my benchmarks did show that the _ONLY_ thing that
mattered - wall clock time of user apps - was improved.  Doing things that
non-PPC way is not a flaw if it results in better performance.

I do stand by our design, and the choices we made, but I'm open to
suggestion for better ways to do it.  I can certainly believe there's a lot
of room for improvement.  This is linux, though - actual working code speaks
more loudly and clearly than anything else.

Do you have an example of a better way of doing a VM system in Linux/PPC?
We can't change the page table layout.  That's something we're stuck with,
in one form or another, in Linux no matter what (not our decision).  What
does Kitchewan do for a VM subsystem?  Can you give me an overview of the
design?

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-02-08 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-20  2:27 context overflow Dan Malek
2001-01-22  4:28 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-01-22  4:39   ` Tom Gall
2001-01-22 18:10     ` Dan Malek
2001-01-22 18:55     ` tom_gall
2001-01-22 19:59       ` Dan Malek
2001-01-22 22:08         ` tom_gall
2001-01-23  0:10           ` Dan Malek
2001-01-23 10:00             ` Gabriel Paubert
2001-01-23 18:21               ` Dan Malek
2001-02-06 10:55                 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-06 21:11                   ` Dan Malek
2001-02-06 21:50                     ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-06 22:29                       ` Dan Malek
2001-02-06 22:45                         ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-06 10:50               ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-06 21:32                 ` Dan Malek
2001-02-06 22:08                   ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-06 23:14                     ` Dan Malek
2001-02-07  0:23                       ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-07 18:02                         ` Dan Malek
2001-02-08  0:48                           ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-08  1:39                             ` Frank Rowand
2001-02-08 19:00                             ` David Edelsohn
2001-02-08 20:53                               ` Roman Zippel
2001-02-08 21:14                                 ` David Edelsohn
2001-02-08 23:23                                   ` Roman Zippel
2001-02-08 23:48                                     ` Cort Dougan
2001-02-08 21:28                               ` Cort Dougan
2001-02-08 22:08                                 ` David Edelsohn
2001-02-08 22:26                                   ` Cort Dougan [this message]
2001-02-08 23:17                                     ` David Edelsohn
2001-02-08 23:27                                       ` Cort Dougan
2001-02-08 23:28                                   ` Gabriel Paubert
2001-02-09  9:58                                     ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-09 10:57                                       ` Gabriel Paubert
2001-02-09 11:26                                         ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-09 10:49                               ` Paul Mackerras
2001-02-07  9:18                   ` Roman Zippel
2001-02-07 17:46                     ` Dan Malek
2001-02-07 18:39                       ` Roman Zippel
2001-02-07 21:16                         ` Gabriel Paubert
2001-02-08  0:34                           ` Paul Mackerras
2001-01-22  4:55   ` Larry McVoy
2001-01-22  6:15     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-01-23  1:12 ` Frank Rowand
2001-01-23  1:20   ` Dan Malek
2001-01-23  2:12     ` Frank Rowand

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