From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: "Ross A. Osborn" Cc: linuxppc-embedded@lists.linuxppc.org Subject: Re: Progress - new problem From: Wolfgang Denk Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:54:29 EST." <20010212095429.E8453@gi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:35:39 +0100 Message-Id: <20010212163544.4458A281DA@denx.denx.de> Sender: owner-linuxppc-embedded@lists.linuxppc.org List-Id: Hi Ross, in message <20010212095429.E8453@gi.com> you wrote: > > I have been fighting with an old Nohau BDM debugger and was trying to > get information together to talk my boss into ordering the BDI2000. I > could not find any price information on there web site. Please understand that I cannot speak for the design and contents of Abatron's web pages. Speaking for us: we are a reseller for Abatron, and I certainly can send you a quote. But I'm pretty sure there is US based reseller for Abatron, too. I have no idea if the US prices are highr or lower than ours. > So, the right thing to do is to send you a message to a quote? Is it > just me or is this an odd way to conduct business? In such situations I'm biased when posting to the mailing list. On one side, I like to help, and give the best advice I am able to. On the other side, this _is_ commercial advertising, and as such inappropriate for the list. If we're talking directly to each other, we can talk clean business :-) > This will certainly not make it any easier to convice my boss to buy > this instead of (or in addition to) the EST products they are currently > looking at. Well, when comparing products, just ask a few questions: * How much does the Linux version of the debugger cost? [And how much is the Windows version, and why is there a difference, if any?] Our price for the BDI2000 bundled with bdiGDB software which interfaces to GDB is 2500 Euro, or about $ 2325 (including the power supply). * Does the debugger support the MMU? Will you get a guarantee that you can use it to symbolically debug the LInux kernel, including automatic variables (on the stack)? Many debuggers fail here, and AFAIK the EST is one of them. Lately I've heard that they provide some MMU support, but it sounded as it was just for static mappings, so it would fail for dynamic situations like data on the stack. * Is there any warranty? The BDI2000 comes with 3 years of warranty for the hardware. * How good is there support if you have any problems, or need extensions, etc.? OK, now I want to ask you a question: what hardware do you have? If you can do with BDM, are you aware of the BDM4GDB project at sourceforge? You can built the parallel port adapter yourself, or get it for less than $ 50. Wolfgang Denk -- Software Engineering: Embedded and Realtime Systems, Embedded Linux Phone: (+49)-8142-4596-87 Fax: (+49)-8142-4596-88 Email: wd@denx.de Visit us at Embedded Systems: Feb 14-16 2001, Nuremberg, Halle 12/K01 (with TQ Components); our presentation "Starke Zwerge: Embedded Linux auf PowerPC-Systemen" on Thursday, Feb 15 2001, 13:30 Forum Halle 11. ** Sent via the linuxppc-embedded mail list. See http://lists.linuxppc.org/