JDK 1.3

JDK 1.3

[Stefan Pfetzing]

Hi,

somebody got the Blackdown j2sdk 1.3.0-PL1 Plugin for Mozilla to work with
Mozilla 0.9.5 ? For me it complains about a missing symbol and won't start
mozilla, when linking the javaplugin into the mozilla dir.


bye

dreamind

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Re: JDK 1.3

[Kevin Hendricks]

Hi,

What symbol does it complain about?

Mozilla has changed it plugin interface slightly in 0.93, 0.94, and 0.95
which is making for a real pain.  I asked the x86 Blackdown guys and
they are build jdk 1.3.1 against mozilla 0.91 and that plugin seems to
work with everything to date.  The issues come in when later mozilla
headers are used to build the plugin.

I will retry building the plugin against mozilla 0.91 and post it in the
form of the jre for people to try.

Kevin


On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 10:18 PM, Stefan Pfetzing wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> somebody got the Blackdown j2sdk 1.3.0-PL1 Plugin for Mozilla to work
> with
> Mozilla 0.9.5 ? For me it complains about a missing symbol and won't
> start
> mozilla, when linking the javaplugin into the mozilla dir.
>
>
> bye
>
> dreamind
>
>


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Re: JDK 1.3

[Daniel Berlin]

On the subject of JVM's, in case no one noticed, there is now an
optimizing one to play with.
IBM released the source to the Jikes RVM (Also known as the Jalapeno
project), which supports building/running on PPC Linux.  No JNI yet, but
IIRC, they are working on it.  It's also not meant to be a production
quality. But it's *something*.

Also note that in IBM's future java plans, it says:
"IBM plans for Java 2 SE technology encompass delivering IBM Developer
Kits for Java version 1.3.1 on an expanded range of platforms (AIX -
PowerPC 32-bit and PowerPC 64-bit; zOS; AS/400; Windows 32-bit and
64-bit; Linux on 32-bit and 64-bit Intel architecture, Linux on PowerPC
32-bit, Linux on 32-bit zSeries) with delivery currently scheduled for
4Q 2001 and 1Q 2002 depending on the platform. OS/2 is scheduled for
1H2002. Our implementation of version 1.3.1 will include enhancements to
the JIT compiler, garbage collection technology and JVM serviceability."
Having worked for IBM research over the summer, let me just say that
working with a JDK with a JIT on PPC Linux was quite nice, after having
to use one with no JIT for so long.

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 11:54  AM, Kevin Hendricks wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> What symbol does it complain about?
>
> Mozilla has changed it plugin interface slightly in 0.93, 0.94, and 0.95
> which is making for a real pain.  I asked the x86 Blackdown guys and
> they are build jdk 1.3.1 against mozilla 0.91 and that plugin seems to
> work with everything to date.  The issues come in when later mozilla
> headers are used to build the plugin.
>
> I will retry building the plugin against mozilla 0.91 and post it in the
> form of the jre for people to try.
>
> Kevin
>


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Re: JDK 1.3

[Kevin Hendricks]

Hi,

FYI:

The IBM jdk 1.3.0 with JIT is available now for ppc linux (it needs a
2.4.x kernel to work) from SuSE's ftp website.  Look in Updates for SuSE
ppc 7.1 to find the binaries.

Also, we (Blackdown) now have a volunteer who is working on the HotSpot
port for ppc linux!   So keep your fingers crossed.

Also I talked with IBM about  what they would be releasing in the way of
a JDK for ppc linux.  Basically, they have already released or will
release the basic JDK but support for the Mozilla/Netscape plugin is not
planned.

Thought you might like to know,

Kevin


On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 12:11 PM, Daniel Berlin wrote:

> On the subject of JVM's, in case no one noticed, there is now an
> optimizing one to play with.
> IBM released the source to the Jikes RVM (Also known as the Jalapeno
> project), which supports building/running on PPC Linux.  No JNI yet,
> but IIRC, they are working on it.  It's also not meant to be a
> production quality. But it's *something*.
>
> Also note that in IBM's future java plans, it says:
> "IBM plans for Java 2 SE technology encompass delivering IBM Developer
> Kits for Java version 1.3.1 on an expanded range of platforms (AIX -
> PowerPC 32-bit and PowerPC 64-bit; zOS; AS/400; Windows 32-bit and
> 64-bit; Linux on 32-bit and 64-bit Intel architecture, Linux on PowerPC
> 32-bit, Linux on 32-bit zSeries) with delivery currently scheduled for
> 4Q 2001 and 1Q 2002 depending on the platform. OS/2 is scheduled for
> 1H2002. Our implementation of version 1.3.1 will include enhancements
> to the JIT compiler, garbage collection technology and JVM
> serviceability."
> Having worked for IBM research over the summer, let me just say that
> working with a JDK with a JIT on PPC Linux was quite nice, after having
> to use one with no JIT for so long.
>
> On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 11:54  AM, Kevin Hendricks wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What symbol does it complain about?
>>
>> Mozilla has changed it plugin interface slightly in 0.93, 0.94, and
>> 0.95
>> which is making for a real pain.  I asked the x86 Blackdown guys and
>> they are build jdk 1.3.1 against mozilla 0.91 and that plugin seems to
>> work with everything to date.  The issues come in when later mozilla
>> headers are used to build the plugin.
>>
>> I will retry building the plugin against mozilla 0.91 and post it in
>> the
>> form of the jre for people to try.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>


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Re: JDK 1.3

[Daniel Berlin]

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 12:17  PM, Kevin Hendricks wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> FYI:
>
> The IBM jdk 1.3.0 with JIT is available now for ppc linux (it needs a
> 2.4.x kernel to work) from SuSE's ftp website.  Look in Updates for SuSE
> ppc 7.1 to find the binaries.
Is it?
I'm used to downloading it off an internal ibm  website, and i know it
wasn't on the external one, so i assumed it hadn't been released yet.

>
> Also, we (Blackdown) now have a volunteer who is working on the HotSpot
> port for ppc linux!   So keep your fingers crossed.

> Also I talked with IBM about  what they would be releasing in the way of
> a JDK for ppc linux.  Basically, they have already released or will
> release the basic JDK but support for the Mozilla/Netscape plugin is not
> planned.
Yes, I know.
However, I use konqueror, where IBM's JDK does just fine.
>
> Thought you might like to know,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 12:11 PM, Daniel Berlin wrote:
>
>> On the subject of JVM's, in case no one noticed, there is now an
>> optimizing one to play with.
>> IBM released the source to the Jikes RVM (Also known as the Jalapeno
>> project), which supports building/running on PPC Linux.  No JNI yet,
>> but IIRC, they are working on it.  It's also not meant to be a
>> production quality. But it's *something*.
>>
>> Also note that in IBM's future java plans, it says:
>> "IBM plans for Java 2 SE technology encompass delivering IBM Developer
>> Kits for Java version 1.3.1 on an expanded range of platforms (AIX -
>> PowerPC 32-bit and PowerPC 64-bit; zOS; AS/400; Windows 32-bit and
>> 64-bit; Linux on 32-bit and 64-bit Intel architecture, Linux on PowerPC
>> 32-bit, Linux on 32-bit zSeries) with delivery currently scheduled for
>> 4Q 2001 and 1Q 2002 depending on the platform. OS/2 is scheduled for
>> 1H2002. Our implementation of version 1.3.1 will include enhancements
>> to the JIT compiler, garbage collection technology and JVM
>> serviceability."
>> Having worked for IBM research over the summer, let me just say that
>> working with a JDK with a JIT on PPC Linux was quite nice, after having
>> to use one with no JIT for so long.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 11:54  AM, Kevin Hendricks wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What symbol does it complain about?
>>>
>>> Mozilla has changed it plugin interface slightly in 0.93, 0.94, and
>>> 0.95
>>> which is making for a real pain.  I asked the x86 Blackdown guys and
>>> they are build jdk 1.3.1 against mozilla 0.91 and that plugin seems to
>>> work with everything to date.  The issues come in when later mozilla
>>> headers are used to build the plugin.
>>>
>>> I will retry building the plugin against mozilla 0.91 and post it in
>>> the
>>> form of the jre for people to try.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>
>
>


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Re: JDK 1.3

[Kevin Hendricks]

Hi,

>> The IBM jdk 1.3.0 with JIT is available now for ppc linux (it needs a
>> 2.4.x kernel to work) from SuSE's ftp website.  Look in Updates for
>> SuSE
>> ppc 7.1 to find the binaries.
> Is it?

Yes, I downloaded it from the SuSE site week or two ago.

>>   Basically, they have already released or will
>> release the basic JDK but support for the Mozilla/Netscape plugin is
>> not
>> planned.
> Yes, I know.

IBM licensed the plugin from Sun.  So why won't they release it?

  I asked that question but no one at IBM seemed to have any explanation
but "we won't" and we are "a solutions company" and "we respond to the
customer".  All great ... but that does not explain the lack of support
for the plugin when they do the plugin for AIX.  I sometimes think the
AIX side hates the PPC Linux side at some higher up level.  I never go
that impression from IBM engineers or developers, just the "marketing
types".  If you have any way to convince them otherwise (the plugin
build itself is actually quite easy) that would be a big help.

> However, I use konqueror, where IBM's JDK does just fine.

Hmm, I tested it using konqueror and it always seemd to open the java
applet in a separate window and not properly embedded.  This is with kde
2.2.1?  Has that been fixed now?

Thanks,

Kevin


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Re: JDK 1.3

[Michel Dänzer]

On Wed, 2001-10-24 at 18:54, Kevin Hendricks wrote:

> > However, I use konqueror, where IBM's JDK does just fine.
>
> Hmm, I tested it using konqueror and it always seemd to open the java
> applet in a separate window and not properly embedded.  This is with kde
> 2.2.1?  Has that been fixed now?

I once filed a bug about this and the answer was that konqueror plugins
need the KDE window manager to work properly. And indeed Java applets
did work as expected when I tried with that once.


PS: For Debian users, there are J2SE packages at
http://incoming.debian.org .

--
Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer
XFree86 and DRI project member   /  CS student, Free Software enthusiast

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