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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: akpm@osdl.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@osdl.org,
	davem@redhat.com, linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #5]
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:26:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060323222645.GA1298@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <895.1143138867@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>

On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:34:27PM +0000, David Howells wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > smp_mb__before_atomic_dec() and friends as well?
> 
> These seem to be something Sparc64 related; or, at least, Sparc64 seems to do
> something weird with them.
> 
> What are these meant to achieve anyway? They seems to just be barrier() on a
> lot of systems, even SMP ones.

On architectures such as x86 where atomic_dec() implies an smp_mb(),
they do nothing.  On other architectures, they supply whatever memory
barrier is required.

So, on x86:

	smp_mb();
	atomic_dec(&my_atomic_counter);

would result in -two- atomic instructions, but the smp_mb() would be
absolutely required on CPUs with weaker memory-consistency models.
So your choice is to (1) be inefficient on x86 or (2) be unsafe on
weak-memory-consistency systems.  What we can do instead is:

	smp_mb__before_atomic_dec();
	atomic_dec(&my_atomic_counter);

This allows x86 to generate efficient code -and- allows weak-memory
machines (e.g., Alpha, MIPS, PA-RISC(!), ppc, s390, SPARC64) to generate
safe code.

						Thanx, Paul

      parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-23 22:26 UTC|newest]

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2006-03-23 18:34     ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #5] David Howells
2006-03-23 19:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-23 22:26       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]

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