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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: ebiederm@xmission.com
Cc: kyle@parisc-linux.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, brice@myri.com,
	greg@kroah.com, shaohua.li@intel.com,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/16] Ops based MSI Implementation
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:31:56 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070128.153156.63125702.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1lkjmok2j.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:36:20 -0700

> That might be the right solution.  I don't know.  But that is one
> among several that your HV interface is wrong and probably should be
> fixed at the HV.  I definitely have no intentions of encouraging
> another HV to emulate the brittleness of your solution.
> 
> Nor do I want to ask device drivers to preallocate 4096 interrupts
> just in case they need them.  Even if batch allocation makes sense
> always asking for the maximum possible that you might use is overkill.

Other platforms do this and I think it is totally reasonable
to protect the defined PCI config register writes for MSI
and MSI-X behind the hypervisor calls.

It is one of several legitimate ways to keep a PCI device from
transmitting random junk to other devices which are on behind the same
PCI controller yet belong to another virtual domain.

Another solution is to have a PCI-E bridges define the unit of
splitability between virtual domains, and have those PCI-E bridges
protect each other from inter-domain MSI message writes.

Both solutions are valid, and each platform and hypervisor may make
either decision and it is reasonable.

About your argument of a MSI-Y, these platforms simply don't support
such devices and the people who design these systems and hypervisors
absolutely accept that limitation as a design trade off.  It's not a
bad thing.

Look, I have no idea where all this resistence come from to abstract
this stuff behind enough levels to support things like RTAS et al.
properly.  Please stop it now.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-28 23:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-25  8:34 [RFC/PATCH 0/16] Ops based MSI Implementation Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 1/16] Replace pci_msi_quirk with calls to pci_no_msi() Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25 22:33   ` patch msi-replace-pci_msi_quirk-with-calls-to-pci_no_msi.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/16] Combine pci_(save|restore)_msi/msix_state Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25 22:33   ` patch msi-combine-pci__msi-msix_state.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 2/16] Remove pci_scan_msi_device() Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25 22:33   ` patch msi-remove-pci_scan_msi_device.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 5/16] Ops based MSI implementation Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25 21:52   ` Greg KH
2007-01-25 22:05     ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-25 22:10       ` Greg KH
2007-01-26  1:02     ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 4/16] Abstract MSI suspend Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25 22:33   ` patch msi-abstract-msi-suspend.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-01-28  8:27   ` [RFC/PATCH 4/16] Abstract MSI suspend Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29  7:22     ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-29  8:45       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29  9:47         ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-29 16:52           ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-29 16:57             ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-29 17:02               ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-29 17:25                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 17:32                   ` Roland Dreier
2007-01-29 22:03               ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-29 17:20           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-01  4:24       ` Greg KH
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 6/16] Add bare metal MSI enable & disable routines Michael Ellerman
2007-01-26  5:35   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 7/16] Rip out the existing powerpc msi stubs Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 8/16] Enable MSI on Powerpc Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 9/16] RTAS MSI implementation Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 10/16] Add a pci_irq_fixup for MSI via RTAS Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 12/16] Tell firmware we support MSI Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 11/16] Activate MSI via RTAS on pseries Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 13/16] MPIC MSI allocator Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 14/16] MPIC MSI backend Michael Ellerman
2007-01-26  6:43   ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-26  7:02     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-26  8:47       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-26 16:32         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-26 17:19           ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-26 17:56             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-26 22:48               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-27  7:01               ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-26 22:40             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-27  2:11               ` David Miller
2007-01-26 22:08           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-27  6:54             ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-26 20:50       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-26 22:46       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-01-27  2:46         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-27  3:02           ` David Miller
2007-01-27  4:28             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-27 18:30         ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-27 20:02           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-26 20:41     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-26  9:11   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-27  6:33     ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 15/16] Enable MSI mappings for MPIC Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25  8:34 ` [RFC/PATCH 16/16] Activate MSI for the MPIC backend on U3 Michael Ellerman
2007-01-25 21:53 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/16] Ops based MSI Implementation Greg KH
2007-01-25 21:55   ` David Miller
2007-01-26  1:05     ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-26  1:03   ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-26  6:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-26  6:56   ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-26  7:15     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-26  7:48       ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-26 15:26         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-26 21:58         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-26  8:57     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-26 17:27       ` Grant Grundler
2007-01-26 20:57     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-26 21:24   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-27  5:41   ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-28  6:16     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28  8:12       ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-28  8:36         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 20:14           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-28 20:53             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 21:17               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-28 22:36                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 23:17                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-28 23:38                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 23:51                       ` David Miller
2007-01-29  0:58                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29  1:13                           ` David Miller
2007-01-29  3:17                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29  4:19                               ` David Miller
2007-01-29  4:44                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29  5:46                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29  6:08                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  6:52                           ` David Miller
2007-01-31  7:40                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-01  0:55                               ` David Miller
2007-01-29  0:26                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29  0:59                       ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-28 23:31                   ` David Miller [this message]
2007-01-28 23:59                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-28 23:26               ` David Miller
2007-01-28 23:25             ` David Miller
2007-01-27  4:59 ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-28 19:40 ` [PATCH 0/6] MSI portability cleanups Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 19:42   ` [PATCH 1/6] msi: Kill msi_lookup_irq Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 19:44     ` [PATCH 2/6] msi: Remove msi_lock Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 19:45       ` [PATCH 3/6] msi: Fix msi_remove_pci_irq_vectors Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 19:47         ` [PATCH 4/6] msi: Remove attach_msi_entry Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 19:52           ` [PATCH 5/6] msi: Kill the msi_desc array Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 19:56             ` [PATCH 6/6] msi: Make MSI useable more architectures Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-01  6:08               ` patch msi-make-msi-useable-more-architectures.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-02-01  6:07             ` patch msi-kill-the-msi_desc-array.patch " gregkh
2007-02-01  6:08           ` patch msi-remove-attach_msi_entry.patch " gregkh
2007-02-01  6:07         ` patch msi-fix-msi_remove_pci_irq_vectors.patch " gregkh
2007-02-01  6:08       ` patch msi-remove-msi_lock.patch " gregkh
2007-01-28 22:01     ` [PATCH 1/6] msi: Kill msi_lookup_irq Paul Mackerras
2007-01-28 22:18       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-01  6:07     ` patch msi-kill-msi_lookup_irq.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-01-28 20:23   ` [PATCH 0/6] MSI portability cleanups Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-28 20:47     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-01-28 21:20       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 21:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-28 22:09         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-28 23:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 23:37             ` David Miller
2007-01-29  5:18               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29  5:25                 ` David Miller
2007-01-29  5:58                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29  6:05                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29  8:28                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29  9:03                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 10:11                       ` Michael Ellerman
2007-01-29 20:32                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29 23:29                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-01-29 23:40                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29 20:22                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29 23:05                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-01-30 19:32                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-29  1:33             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-01  4:29           ` Greg KH
2007-01-28 23:44         ` David Miller
2007-01-28 22:11       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 23:42       ` David Miller
2007-01-28 21:34     ` Eric W. Biederman

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