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From: Jan-Bernd Themann <ossthema@de.ibm.com>
To: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Klein <tklein@de.ibm.com>,
	Jan-Bernd Themann <themann@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ppc <linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>,
	Christoph Raisch <raisch@de.ibm.com>,
	Marcus Eder <meder@de.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Roscher <stefan.roscher@de.ibm.com>
Subject: RFC: issues concerning the next NAPI interface
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:59:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708241559.17055.ossthema@de.ibm.com> (raw)

Hi,

when I tried to get the eHEA driver working with the new interface,
the following issues came up.

1) The current implementation of netif_rx_schedule, netif_rx_complete
=A0 =A0and the net_rx_action have the following problem: netif_rx_schedule
=A0 =A0sets the NAPI_STATE_SCHED flag and adds the NAPI instance to the pol=
l_list.
=A0 =A0netif_rx_action checks NAPI_STATE_SCHED, if set it will add the devi=
ce
=A0 =A0to the poll_list again (as well). netif_rx_complete clears the NAPI_=
STATE_SCHED.
=A0 =A0If an interrupt handler calls netif_rx_schedule on CPU 2
=A0 =A0after netif_rx_complete has been called on CPU 1 (and the poll funct=
ion=20
=A0 =A0has not returned yet), the NAPI instance will be added twice to the=
=20
=A0 =A0poll_list (by netif_rx_schedule and net_rx_action). Problems occur w=
hen=20
=A0 =A0netif_rx_complete is called twice for the device (BUG() called)

2) If an ethernet chip supports multiple receive queues, the queues are=20
=A0 =A0currently all processed on the CPU where the interrupt comes in. This
=A0 =A0is because netif_rx_schedule will always add the rx queue to the CPU=
's
=A0 =A0napi poll_list. The result under heavy presure is that all queues wi=
ll
=A0 =A0gather on the weakest CPU (with highest CPU load) after some time as=
 they
=A0 =A0will stay there as long as the entire queue is emptied. On SMP syste=
ms=20
=A0 =A0this behaviour is not desired. It should also work well without inte=
rrupt
=A0 =A0pinning.
=A0 =A0It would be nice if it is possible to schedule queues to other CPU's=
, or
=A0 =A0at least to use interrupts to put the queue to another cpu (not nice=
 for=20
=A0 =A0as you never know which one you will hit).=20
=A0 =A0I'm not sure how bad the tradeoff would be.

3) On modern systems the incoming packets are processed very fast. Especial=
ly
=A0 =A0on SMP systems when we use multiple queues we process only a few pac=
kets
=A0 =A0per napi poll cycle. So NAPI does not work very well here and the in=
terrupt=20
=A0 =A0rate is still high. What we need would be some sort of timer polling=
 mode=20
=A0 =A0which will schedule a device after a certain amount of time for high=
 load=20
=A0 =A0situations. With high precision timers this could work well. Current
=A0 =A0usual timers are too slow. A finer granularity would be needed to ke=
ep the
   latency down (and queue length moderate).

What do you think?

Thanks,
Jan-Bernd

             reply	other threads:[~2007-08-24 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-24 13:59 Jan-Bernd Themann [this message]
2007-08-24 15:37 ` RFC: issues concerning the next NAPI interface akepner
2007-08-24 15:47   ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-24 15:52     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-08-24 16:50       ` David Stevens
2007-08-24 21:44         ` David Miller
2007-08-24 21:51           ` Linas Vepstas
2007-08-24 16:51       ` Linas Vepstas
2007-08-24 17:07         ` Rick Jones
2007-08-24 17:45         ` Shirley Ma
2007-08-24 17:16       ` James Chapman
2007-08-24 18:11         ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-24 21:47         ` David Miller
2007-08-24 22:06           ` akepner
2007-08-26 19:36           ` James Chapman
2007-08-27  1:58             ` David Miller
2007-08-27  9:47               ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-27 20:37                 ` David Miller
2007-08-28 11:19                   ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-28 20:21                     ` David Miller
2007-08-29  7:10                       ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-29  8:15                         ` James Chapman
2007-08-29  8:43                           ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-29  8:29                         ` David Miller
2007-08-29  8:31                           ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-27 15:51               ` James Chapman
2007-08-27 16:02                 ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-27 17:05                   ` James Chapman
2007-08-27 21:02                 ` David Miller
2007-08-27 21:41                   ` James Chapman
2007-08-27 21:56                     ` David Miller
2007-08-28  9:22                       ` James Chapman
2007-08-28 11:48                         ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-28 12:16                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-28 14:55                           ` James Chapman
2007-08-28 11:21                   ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-28 20:25                     ` David Miller
2007-08-28 20:27                     ` David Miller
2007-08-24 16:45 ` Linas Vepstas
2007-08-24 21:43   ` David Miller
2007-08-24 21:32 ` David Miller
2007-08-24 21:37 ` David Miller
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     [not found] ` <8VKwj-8ke-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-08-24 19:04   ` Bodo Eggert
2007-08-24 20:42     ` Linas Vepstas
2007-08-24 21:11       ` Jan-Bernd Themann
2007-08-24 21:35         ` Linas Vepstas

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