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From: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
To: Trent Piepho <tpiepho@freescale.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
	scottwood@freescale.com,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:55:41 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080603185541.GB3549@parisc-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806031130130.3242@t2.domain.actdsltmp>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 11:47:00AM -0700, Trent Piepho wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >>
> >>Linus: on x86, memory operations to wc and wc+ memory are not ordered
> >>with one another, or operations to other memory types (ie. load/load
> >>and store/store reordering is allowed). Also, as you know, store/load
> >>reordering is explicitly allowed as well, which covers all memory
> >>types. So perhaps it is not quite true to say readl/writel is strongly
> >>ordered by default even on x86. You would have to put in some
> >>mfence instructions in them to make it so.
> 
> So on x86, these could be re-ordered?
> 
> writel(START_OPERATION, CONTROL_REGISTER);
> status = readl(STATUS_REGISTER);

You wouldn't ask for write-combining memory mapping for control or
status registers.

> >Well, you have to ask for WC/WC+ anyway, so it's immaterial. A driver that
> >does that needs to be aware of it. IOW, it's a non-issue, imnsho.
> 
> You need to ask for coherent DMA memory too.

Different case.  Coherent DMA memory is *host* memory that the *device*
accesses.  We're talking about *device* memory that the *cpu* accesses.

-- 
Intel are signing my paycheques ... these opinions are still mine
"Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this
operating system, but compare it to ours.  We can't possibly take such
a retrograde step."

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-03 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-20 20:40 [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 21:38   ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:02     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:21       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:15     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 22:35       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:39         ` David Miller
2008-05-20 22:43           ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:53             ` David Miller
2008-05-23  4:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-22 22:56                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-23 12:36                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering (Was: [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 12:50                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 21:14                       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-23 22:47                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:33                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:40                     ` David Miller
2008-05-27  2:15                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  2:28                         ` David Miller
2008-05-27  3:39                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 16:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 17:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 10:36                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-02 21:53                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:12                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 18:23                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 18:33                                 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-27 21:10                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 21:53                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 21:46                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 22:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:42                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 22:17                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-28  8:36                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-29 11:05                                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2008-05-30  1:13                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:07                                             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  7:24                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  8:27                                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  9:22                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-02  8:11                                                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-02 15:48                                                       ` Scott Wood
2008-06-03  7:46                                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-04 15:31                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 22:19                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29  7:10                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-29 10:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-06-02  7:24                                       ` Russell King
2008-06-03  4:16                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  4:32                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  6:48                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:53                                               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-03  7:18                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 14:47                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-03 18:47                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 18:55                                               ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2008-06-03 19:57                                                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:35                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:58                                                     ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:00                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:07                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04  2:05                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  2:46                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 11:47                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-06-10  6:56                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-10 17:41                                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-10 18:10                                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-06-10 19:05                                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-06-10 19:19                                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-11  3:29                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  3:40                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-11  4:06                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 16:07                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-12 11:27                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  4:18                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:00                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  5:13                                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:35                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  6:02                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12 12:14                                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-12 13:08                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 14:46                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-11  5:20                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-04  2:19                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:43                                           ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:33                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:44                                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:25                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  6:39                                                   ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 22:26                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  3:42                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  4:08                             ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27  4:20                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  7:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:50                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 16:37                                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 17:38                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 17:53                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 18:07                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 18:17                                         ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 21:23                                         ` Chris Friesen
2008-05-27 21:29                                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 23:04                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-27 21:11                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:33                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 22:13                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 22:39                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 14:47                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 15:01                                       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-30  9:36                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30 17:21                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-31  7:57                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-05-29 21:40                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:48                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 22:05                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:53                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 21:53                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-30  9:39                                           ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30  9:48                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-31  8:14                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  9:48                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 22:06                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 22:25                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-30  3:56                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-31  7:52                                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-02  9:56                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-02 21:02                                           ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  4:33                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:15                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  8:19                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:45                                                 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 16:52                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-05  8:40                                               ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-05  8:43                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-12 15:07                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-13  0:07                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-31  8:04                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-27  8:24                           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 15:28                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 22:55         ` [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:01           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:00     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-21 19:44       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 20:41         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 22:11   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:47     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 23:14       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21  8:03         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-21 20:25           ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 23:48           ` [PATCH V2] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_[bl]eXX() " Trent Piepho

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