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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	vapier.adi@gmail.com, matthew@wil.cx,
	microblaze-uclinux@itee.uq.edu.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	drepper@redhat.com, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
	will.newton@gmail.com, hpa@zytor.com, monstr@seznam.cz,
	John.Linn@xilinx.com, john.williams@petalogix.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 48/60] microblaze_v4: headers simple files - empty or redirect to asm-generic
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:23:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200806270123.06669.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080626180530.GA22827@cs181140183.pp.htv.fi>

On Thursday 26 June 2008, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Honestly, I do not completely like your approach of getting the 
> microblaze port submitter to create the asm-generic files - I would 
> personally prefer if the microblaze port would look exactly like all 
> other ports and the (reasonable) changes you have in mind were not
> being discussed and done as part of the submission of a new port.

But it works really well this way ;-). My point is that a new port
should look just like all the other ports should have looked as
well, not like they did. When it comes to the ABI, you
cannot make incompatible changes after it's merged, so IMHO all
ABI defining headers should go to asm-generic if possible.

Since there doesn't seem to be anyone investing work into moving the
files there (I started it before, but got bored before submitting
them all myself), the point of adding a new architecture is exactly
the right one for putting the file to asm-generic. For Michal, there
is no difference between putting the file into asm-generic or
asm-microblaze, other than that he has to change his existing
patch once, but in return he gets fewer files to maintain afterwards.

The fundamental principle here is: if you want your code to get in,
do it in a way that makes your own code cleaner by making it cleaner
for everyone else as well.
The result is that more people look at the code, and that Michal's
name gets more widely known, so the next time he needs something
from another developer, he's more likely to get heard because
you think of him as the person that did all the useful work on
the asm-generic files.

> After all, it won't matter whether we'll unify resp. remove
> 22 or 23 files.

That wasn't my idea. The logic was that if one more file exists
in asm-generic that can be removed from the architectures,
we get 22 more files to remove without anyone having to look
at the big picture. When microblaze is in, I can compile a list
with asm-generic files that can be used to replace the architecture
specific files, so the arch maintainers can decide on their own
whether to clean their own stuff up or not.

With namei.h, I may have gone too far to request moving it
to asm-generic as part of the microblaze merge, because it's
not an ABI header, but I think it's a step in the right direction
anyway, and I may put it there myself if I ever get to do
my "how to port Linux to a new architecture the right way" paper.

	Arnd <><

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-26 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-26 12:29 Microblaze init port v4 monstr
2008-06-26 12:29 ` [PATCH 01/60] microblaze_v4: Kconfig patches monstr
2008-06-26 12:29   ` [PATCH 02/60] microblaze_v4: Makefiles for Microblaze cpu monstr
2008-06-26 12:29     ` [PATCH 03/60] microblaze_v4: Cpuinfo handling monstr
2008-06-26 12:29       ` [PATCH 04/60] microblaze_v4: Open firmware files1 monstr
2008-06-26 12:29         ` [PATCH 05/60] microblaze_v4: Open firmware files2 monstr
2008-06-26 12:29           ` [PATCH 06/60] microblaze_v4: Open firmware common files monstr
2008-06-26 12:29             ` [PATCH 07/60] microblaze_v4: Support for semaphores monstr
2008-06-26 12:29               ` [PATCH 08/60] microblaze_v4: exception handling monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                 ` [PATCH 09/60] microblaze_v4: Signal support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                   ` [PATCH 10/60] microblaze_v4: Interrupt handling, timer support, supported function monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                     ` [PATCH 11/60] microblaze_v4: cache support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                       ` [PATCH 12/60] microblaze_v4: Generic dts file for platforms monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                         ` [PATCH 13/60] microblaze_v4: kernel modules support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                           ` [PATCH 14/60] microblaze_v4: lmb support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                             ` [PATCH 15/60] microblaze_v4: PVR support, cpuinfo support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                               ` [PATCH 16/60] microblaze_v4: defconfig file monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                 ` [PATCH 17/60] microblaze_v4: head.S + linker script monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                   ` [PATCH 18/60] microblaze_v4: supported function for memory - kernel/lib monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                     ` [PATCH 19/60] microblaze_v4: checksum support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                       ` [PATCH 20/60] microblaze_v4: early_printk support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                         ` [PATCH 21/60] microblaze_v4: uaccess files monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                           ` [PATCH 22/60] microblaze_v4: heartbeat file monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                             ` [PATCH 23/60] microblaze_v4: setup.c - system setting monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                               ` [PATCH 24/60] microblaze_v4: asm-offsets monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                                 ` [PATCH 25/60] microblaze_v4: process and init task function monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                                   ` [PATCH 26/60] microblaze_v4: time support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                                     ` [PATCH 27/60] microblaze_v4: virtualization monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                                       ` [PATCH 28/60] microblaze_v4: ptrace support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                                         ` [PATCH 29/60] microblaze_v4: traps support monstr
2008-06-26 12:29                                                           ` [PATCH 30/60] microblaze_v4: support for a.out monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                             ` [PATCH 31/60] microblaze_v4: memory inicialization, MMU, TLB monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                               ` [PATCH 32/60] microblaze_v4: page.h, segment.h, unaligned.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                 ` [PATCH 33/60] microblaze_v4: includes SHM*, msgbuf monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                   ` [PATCH 34/60] microblaze_v4: bug headers files monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                     ` [PATCH 35/60] microblaze_v4: definitions of types monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                       ` [PATCH 36/60] microblaze_v4: ioctl support monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                         ` [PATCH 37/60] microblaze_v4: io.h IO operations monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                           ` [PATCH 38/60] microblaze_v4: headers for executables format FLAT, ELF monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                             ` [PATCH 39/60] microblaze_v4: dma support monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                               ` [PATCH 40/60] microblaze_v4: headers for irq monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                 ` [PATCH 41/60] microblaze_v4: atomic.h bitops.h byteorder.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                   ` [PATCH 42/60] microblaze_v4: headers pgalloc.h pgtable.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                     ` [PATCH 43/60] microblaze_v4: system.h pvr.h processor.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                       ` [PATCH 44/60] microblaze_v4: clinkage.h linkage.h sections.h kmap_types.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                         ` [PATCH 45/60] microblaze_v4: stats headers monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                           ` [PATCH 46/60] microblaze_v4: termbits.h termios.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                             ` [PATCH 47/60] microblaze_v4: sigcontext.h siginfo.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                               ` [PATCH 48/60] microblaze_v4: headers simple files - empty or redirect to asm-generic monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 49/60] microblaze_v4: headers files entry.h current.h mman.h registers.h sembuf.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                   ` [PATCH 50/60] microblaze_v4: device.h param.h topology.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 51/60] microblaze_v4: pool.h socket.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                       ` [PATCH 52/60] microblaze_v4: fcntl.h sockios.h ucontext.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 53/60] microblaze_v4: setup.h string.h thread_info.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                           ` [PATCH 54/60] microblaze_v4: Kbuild file monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                             ` [PATCH 55/60] microblaze_v4: pci headers monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                               ` [PATCH 56/60] microblaze_v4: IPC headers monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 57/60] microblaze_v4: entry.S monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                                   ` [PATCH 58/60] microblaze_v4: sys_microblaze.c monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 59/60] microblaze_v4: syscall_table.S and unistd.h monstr
2008-06-26 12:30                                                                                                                       ` [PATCH 60/60] microblaze_v4: Enable drivers for Microblaze monstr
2008-06-26 14:16                                                                                                                         ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-06-26 16:31                                                                                                                       ` [PATCH 59/60] microblaze_v4: syscall_table.S and unistd.h Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 17:02                                                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-28  5:10                                                                                                                       ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-26 15:48                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 58/60] microblaze_v4: sys_microblaze.c Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 19:07                                                                                                                       ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 22:34                                                                                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 16:04                                                                                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 15:43                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 52/60] microblaze_v4: fcntl.h sockios.h ucontext.h Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 16:46                                                                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 15:35                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 48/60] microblaze_v4: headers simple files - empty or redirect to asm-generic Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 16:21                                                                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-26 16:38                                                                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 17:57                                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-26 22:09                                                                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 18:05                                                                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-26 23:23                                                                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2008-06-27 11:59                                                                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-27 13:19                                                                                                             ` Michal Simek
2008-06-27 13:55                                                                                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-26 13:18                                                                                             ` [PATCH 46/60] microblaze_v4: termbits.h termios.h Alan Cox
2008-06-26 18:44                                                                                               ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 15:28                                                                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 15:18                                                                   ` [PATCH 33/60] microblaze_v4: includes SHM*, msgbuf Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 15:14                                                               ` [PATCH 31/60] microblaze_v4: memory inicialization, MMU, TLB Arnd Bergmann
2008-07-08  6:17                                                                 ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 14:37                                                             ` [PATCH 30/60] microblaze_v4: support for a.out Adrian Bunk
2008-06-26 19:23                                                               ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 19:27                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-26 21:30                                                                   ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 21:38                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-28  5:04                                                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-28  5:03                                                           ` [PATCH 29/60] microblaze_v4: traps support Paul Mundt
2008-06-28  4:59                                                         ` [PATCH 28/60] microblaze_v4: ptrace support Paul Mundt
2008-07-01 20:46                                                       ` [PATCH 27/60] microblaze_v4: virtualization Adrian Bunk
2008-06-27 10:43                                                     ` [PATCH 26/60] microblaze_v4: time support Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-27 13:10                                                       ` Michal Simek
2008-06-28  4:50                                                   ` [PATCH 25/60] microblaze_v4: process and init task function Paul Mundt
2008-06-28  4:43                                                 ` [PATCH 24/60] microblaze_v4: asm-offsets Paul Mundt
2008-06-28 22:28                                       ` [PATCH 19/60] microblaze_v4: checksum support Segher Boessenkool
2008-06-30  7:18                                         ` Michal Simek
2008-06-30 16:25                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2008-06-26 15:07                         ` [PATCH 12/60] microblaze_v4: Generic dts file for platforms Jon Loeliger
2008-06-26 18:57                           ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 20:18                             ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2008-06-26 21:41                               ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 21:44                                 ` Jon Loeliger
2008-06-28  5:49                         ` Grant Likely
2008-06-30  0:02                           ` John Williams
2008-06-30  3:39                             ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2008-06-30  3:59                               ` John Williams
2008-06-30  7:11                               ` Michal Simek
2008-07-01  6:21                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-01 15:58                                 ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2008-07-02  0:25                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-30  6:48                             ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 16:35                 ` [PATCH 08/60] microblaze_v4: exception handling Ray Lee
2008-06-26 19:19                   ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 19:43                     ` Ray Lee
2008-06-26 21:06                       ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 14:36               ` [PATCH 07/60] microblaze_v4: Support for semaphores Adrian Bunk
2008-06-26 19:27                 ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 14:36     ` [PATCH 02/60] microblaze_v4: Makefiles for Microblaze cpu Adrian Bunk
2008-06-26 18:46       ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 19:40         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-27  0:03           ` John Williams
2008-06-28  4:38   ` [PATCH 01/60] microblaze_v4: Kconfig patches Paul Mundt
2008-06-26 15:01 ` Microblaze init port v4 Adrian Bunk
2008-06-26 18:50   ` Michal Simek
2008-06-26 19:43     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-26 20:27       ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2008-06-27  0:12   ` John Williams
2008-06-26 15:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 17:51   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-06-26 17:54     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-26 18:59   ` Michal Simek

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