What is with all these unsubscribe messages

What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[Matt Gessner]

Does anyone have a feel as to why all these messages are being sent
out (other than the fact that people don't use the manager to manage
their membership)?

Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[Sean MacLennan]

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:58 -0500
"Matt Gessner" <mgessner@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a feel as to why all these messages are being sent
> out (other than the fact that people don't use the manager to manage
> their membership)?

I am seeing them on other forums too. I am suspicious, but do not know
for sure, that they are just harvesting email addresses.

Cheers,
   Sean

Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[Ben Warren]

Sean MacLennan wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:03:58 -0500
> "Matt Gessner" <mgessner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Does anyone have a feel as to why all these messages are being sent
>> out (other than the fact that people don't use the manager to manage
>> their membership)?
>>     
>
> I am seeing them on other forums too. I am suspicious, but do not know
> for sure, that they are just harvesting email addresses.
>
> Cheers,
>    Sean
> ____________
I expect they're all people, like myself, that have been bumped here 
from the ppc_embedded list and aren't used to all the traffic.

cheers,
Ben

Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[David Miller]

From: Ben Warren <biggerbadderben@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:27:06 -0800

> I expect they're all people, like myself, that have been bumped here
> from the ppc_embedded list and aren't used to all the traffic.

This is why, as a policy, we never allow propagation of subscribers
from old lists to new ones created at vger.kernel.org

Everyone must go through the motions of adding themselves to the new
list.

If you allow the propagation, it's essentially an act of putting
someone onto a mailing list without having their permission to do so.

And the result is what we've seen here for the past few days.  If
those people on the embedded list were truly interested in the
linuxppc-dev list content, they would have added themselves.

Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[Jeff Brower]

David-

> From: Ben Warren <biggerbadderben@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:27:06 -0800
>
>> I expect they're all people, like myself, that have been bumped here
>> from the ppc_embedded list and aren't used to all the traffic.
>
> This is why, as a policy, we never allow propagation of subscribers
> from old lists to new ones created at vger.kernel.org
>
> Everyone must go through the motions of adding themselves to the new
> list.
>
> If you allow the propagation, it's essentially an act of putting
> someone onto a mailing list without having their permission to do so.
>
> And the result is what we've seen here for the past few days.  If
> those people on the embedded list were truly interested in the
> linuxppc-dev list content, they would have added themselves.

I completely disagree.  I'm glad the embedded PC list owners were thoughtful enough to migrate me to the new list. 
They are experts, they know what they're doing, and I trust their judgment.

My only complaint is that the new subject lines don't have the widely used "[group-name]" prefix.  I might guess that
some people rely on that to organize e-mail searches for specific group content.

-Jeff

Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[Stephen Rothwell]

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Hi Dave,

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:59:35 -0800 (PST) David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
>
> This is why, as a policy, we never allow propagation of subscribers
> from old lists to new ones created at vger.kernel.org
> 
> Everyone must go through the motions of adding themselves to the new
> list.
> 
> If you allow the propagation, it's essentially an act of putting
> someone onto a mailing list without having their permission to do so.
> 
> And the result is what we've seen here for the past few days.  If
> those people on the embedded list were truly interested in the
> linuxppc-dev list content, they would have added themselves.

Except we have merged the lists.  This was asked for by people on the
linuxppc-embedded list after (they assured me) some discussion.  I was
not on that list, so took their word for it.

The merge was announced ...

Anyway, it is done.

<annoyed>
If people are not smart enough to figure out how to unsubscribe
themselves form a mailing list (which includes the big URL hint at the
base of each message and more hints in the headers) you have to wonder
why they were subscribed.
</annoyed>

-- 
Cheers,
Stephen Rothwell                    sfr@canb.auug.org.au
http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sfr/

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Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[Ken MacLeod]

Another data point:

After I got resubscribed after the list merge I tried the list manager
to unsubscribe and it hasn't taken yet.  I'll try again...

  -- Ken

Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[Michael Ellerman]

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On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 20:28 -0600, Jeff Brower wrote:
> David-
> 
> > From: Ben Warren <biggerbadderben@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:27:06 -0800
> >
> >> I expect they're all people, like myself, that have been bumped here
> >> from the ppc_embedded list and aren't used to all the traffic.
> >
> > This is why, as a policy, we never allow propagation of subscribers
> > from old lists to new ones created at vger.kernel.org
> >
> > Everyone must go through the motions of adding themselves to the new
> > list.
> >
> > If you allow the propagation, it's essentially an act of putting
> > someone onto a mailing list without having their permission to do so.
> >
> > And the result is what we've seen here for the past few days.  If
> > those people on the embedded list were truly interested in the
> > linuxppc-dev list content, they would have added themselves.
> 
> I completely disagree.  I'm glad the embedded PC list owners were thoughtful enough to migrate me to the new list. 
> They are experts, they know what they're doing, and I trust their judgment.
> 
> My only complaint is that the new subject lines don't have the widely used "[group-name]" prefix.  I might guess that
> some people rely on that to organize e-mail searches for specific group content.

Instead they have "List-Id: Linux on PowerPC Developers Mail List
<linuxppc-dev.ozlabs.org>" in the headers, which any modern mailer
should be able to grok.

cheers

-- 
Michael Ellerman
OzLabs, IBM Australia Development Lab

wwweb: http://michael.ellerman.id.au
phone: +61 2 6212 1183 (tie line 70 21183)

We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors,
we borrow it from our children. - S.M.A.R.T Person

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Re: What is with all these unsubscribe messages

[David Miller]

From: "Jeff Brower" <jbrower@signalogic.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:28:46 -0600 (CST)

> I completely disagree.  I'm glad the embedded PC list owners were
> thoughtful enough to migrate me to the new list.

At the very least I know that all of the folks asking to
be unsubscribed would likely take my side on this one :-)