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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
Cc: linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Makefile: Include arch Makefiles as late as possible
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:03:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090214220326.GA5200@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090214195702.GB1241@uranus.ravnborg.org>


* Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 10:26:12PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Anton Vorontsov <avorontsov@ru.mvista.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > This patch gives arches more freedom on overwriting CFLAGS, specifically
> > > on PowerPC we want to remove -fno-omit-frame-pointer flag.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Anton Vorontsov <avorontsov@ru.mvista.com>
> > > ---
> > >  Makefile |    4 ++--
> > >  1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
> > > index 7715b2c..d1ba93f 100644
> > > --- a/Makefile
> > > +++ b/Makefile
> > > @@ -525,8 +525,6 @@ else
> > >  KBUILD_CFLAGS	+= -O2
> > >  endif
> > >  
> > > -include $(srctree)/arch/$(SRCARCH)/Makefile
> > > -
> > >  ifneq (CONFIG_FRAME_WARN,0)
> > >  KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option,-Wframe-larger-than=${CONFIG_FRAME_WARN})
> > >  endif
> > > @@ -555,6 +553,8 @@ ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH
> > >  KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option, -fno-inline-functions-called-once)
> > >  endif
> > >  
> > > +include $(srctree)/arch/$(SRCARCH)/Makefile
> > > +
> > >  # arch Makefile may override CC so keep this after arch Makefile is included
> > >  NOSTDINC_FLAGS += -nostdinc -isystem $(shell $(CC) -print-file-name=include)
> > >  CHECKFLAGS     += $(NOSTDINC_FLAGS)
> > > -- 
> > 
> > this patch is really for Sam to judge - Cc:-ed him.
> 
> If we move the include further down then the following:
> 
>     # Force gcc to behave correct even for buggy distributions
>     # Arch Makefiles may override this setting
>     KBUILD_CFLAGS += $(call cc-option, -fno-stack-protector)
> 
> will most likely fail.

ah, ok. (I long ago made the mental note of "dont change the toplevel Makefile
if you can avoid it" - this reinforces that.)

> If popwerpc needs to get rid of "-fno-omit-frame-pointer" then
> we need a way to express this at KConfig level and NOT by doing
> some tricks with CFLAGS.

Here is what we have in the toplevel Makefile at the moment:

 ifdef CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER
 KBUILD_CFLAGS   += -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls
 else
 KBUILD_CFLAGS   += -fomit-frame-pointer
 endif

My original suggestion (more than a week ago) was to make PPC always
select FRAME_POINTERS.

It was pointed out that -fno-omit-frame-pointers (i.e.: generate frame
pointers) not only makes the code less optimal on PPC, but it can also be 
miscompiled.

But instrumentation really needs to know whether __builtin_return_address(1)
[etc] is reliable, whether stack tracing is fast - and other details -  and PPC
is the odd one out.

So the question is: even with FRAME_POINTERS disabled on PPC, is 
__builtin_return_address(1)/(2) reliable, and is save_stack_trace() fast? (i.e.
can it walk down the stack frame efficiently, or does it have to scan the full
kernel stack) I.e. does PPC have all the material advantages of frame pointers?

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-14 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-31 19:06 [PATCH] ftrace: On PowerPC we don't need frame pointers for CALLER_ADDRs Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-02  0:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-02 14:04   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-03 14:56     ` [PATCH v2] " Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-03 16:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-03 16:19         ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-03 16:32           ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-03 18:59             ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-04  0:34               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-04 15:07           ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-04 15:08             ` [PATCH 1/3] Makefile: Include arch Makefiles as late as possible Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-04 21:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-11  3:51                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-11 13:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-11 14:11                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-14 19:58                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-14 19:57                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-14 22:03                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-02-15  0:19                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-15  8:09                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-16 14:20                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-16 14:53                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-16 20:04                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-02-16 16:08                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-16 17:22                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-04 15:08             ` [PATCH 2/3] powerpc: Make it possible to safely select CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-05  0:31               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-05  0:35                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-05  1:12                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-05  1:15                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-05  1:30                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-05 15:45                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-04 15:08             ` [PATCH 3/3] tracing: Tracers that use CALLER_ADDR macros should select FRAME_POINTER Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-04 15:26               ` Frédéric Weisbecker
2009-02-04 15:31                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-02-04 15:36                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2009-02-04 16:50                   ` Frédéric Weisbecker
2009-02-04  8:17       ` [PATCH v2] ftrace: On PowerPC we don't need frame pointers forCALLER_ADDRs Usha Rani Konudula
2009-02-04  8:37         ` Usha Rani Konudula

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