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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] lib: Provide generic atomic64_t implementation
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:56:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090613205611.GA21498@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0906131323270.3237@localhost.localdomain>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> > >
> > > Linus, Andrew: OK if this goes in via the powerpc tree?
> > 
> > Ok by me.
> 
> Btw, do 32-bit architectures really necessarily want 64-bit 
> performance counters?
> 
> I realize that 32-bit counters will overflow pretty easily, but I 
> do wonder about the performance impact of doing things like hashed 
> spinlocks for 64-bit counters. Maybe the downsides of 64-bit perf 
> counters on such architectures might outweight the upsides?

We account all sorts of non-hw bits via atomic64_t as well - for 
example time related counters in nanoseconds - which wrap 32 bits at 
4 seconds.

There's also security/stability relevant bits:

        counter->id             = atomic64_inc_return(&perf_counter_id);

We dont really want that ID to wrap ever - it could create a leaking 
of one PMU context into another. (We could rewrite it by putting a 
global lock around it, but still - this is a convenient primitive.)

In select places we might be able to reduce the use of atomic64_t 
(that might make performance sense anyway) - but to get rid of all 
of them would be quite painful. We initially started with a 32-bit 
implementation and it was quite painful with fast-paced units.

So since Paul has already coded the wrappers up ... i'd really 
prefer that, unless there's really compelling reasons not to do it.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-13 21:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-13  7:10 [PATCH 1/2] lib: Provide generic atomic64_t implementation Paul Mackerras
2009-06-13 20:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-13 20:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-13 20:56     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-06-14 11:53     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-14 12:21       ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-14 13:04         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-15  2:44           ` Roland Dreier
2009-06-15  4:30             ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-16 22:27           ` Gabriel Paubert
2009-06-13 21:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-06-18 23:55 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-06-19  0:46   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-06-19  0:47   ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-19  0:49     ` Mike Frysinger

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