linuxppc-dev.lists.ozlabs.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Guillaume Knispel <gknispel@proformatique.com>
To: Michael Barkowski <michaelbarkowski@ruggedcom.com>
Cc: Guillaume Knispel <gknispel@proformatique.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com>
Subject: Re: Is volatile always verboten for FSL QE structures?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:08:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091002200848.06be4c5a@xilun.lan.proformatique.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AC63112.7080404@ruggedcom.com>

Michael Barkowski wrote:

> Kumar Gala wrote:
> > 
> > On Oct 2, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Timur Tabi wrote:
> > 
> >> Michael Barkowski wrote:
> >>> Just wondering - is there a case where using volatile for UCC
> >>> parameter RAM for example will not work, or is the use of I/O
> >>> accessors everywhere an attempt to be portable to other architectures?
> >>
> >> 'volatile' just doesn't really do what you think it should do.  The
> >> PowerPC architecture is too complicated w.r.t. ordering of reads and
> >> writes.  In other words, you can't trust it.
> >>
> >> No one should be using 'volatile' to access I/O registers.
> > 
> > See Documentation/volatile-considered-harmful.txt
> > 
> 
> I'm happy to adopt your interpretation of it, and I appreciate the explanation.
> 
> from Documentation/volatile-considered-harmful.txt:
> >   - The above-mentioned accessor functions might use volatile on
> >     architectures where direct I/O memory access does work.  Essentially,
> >     each accessor call becomes a little critical section on its own and
> >     ensures that the access happens as expected by the programmer.
> 
> Part of it was that I wondered if this was one of those architectures.  I guess not.

I guess this could only work on architectures having a totally ordered
memory model.  Definitely not the case for Power.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-02 18:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-02 14:14 Is volatile always verboten for FSL QE structures? Michael Barkowski
2009-10-02 14:46 ` Timur Tabi
2009-10-02 16:41   ` Kumar Gala
2009-10-02 16:57     ` Michael Barkowski
2009-10-02 18:08       ` Guillaume Knispel [this message]
2009-10-03  9:55         ` Simon Richter
2009-10-03 11:20           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20091002200848.06be4c5a@xilun.lan.proformatique.com \
    --to=gknispel@proformatique.com \
    --cc=linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org \
    --cc=michaelbarkowski@ruggedcom.com \
    --cc=timur@freescale.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).