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From: "K.Prasad" <prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Neuling <mikey@neuling.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@au1.ibm.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	David Gibson <dwg@au1.ibm.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	paulus@samba.org
Subject: Re: [Patch 1/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Implement hw-breakpoints for PPC64
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:44:02 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100122071402.GA3356@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100119100335.3EB621DE@magilla.sf.frob.com>

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 02:03:35AM -0800, Roland McGrath wrote:
> > It is also not clear to me if disabling pre-emption for the user-space
> > (albeit for a very tiny time-window) is incorrect and if their side-effects
> > are known. If otherwise, I think we should choose to operate in pre-empt
> > safe mode and avoid all costs associated when done without it.
> 
> I never really gave much consideration to returning to user mode with
> preemption disabled.  It would not really have occurred to me that was
> even possible.  I can't say it seems to me like it could ever be a very
> good idea.  I find it hard even to start listing the cans of worms that
> might be opened by that.  Perhaps the powerpc maintainers have a clearer
> picture of it than I do.
> 
> What does it mean when there is something that prevents it from returning
> to user mode?  i.e., TIF_SIGPENDING or TIF_NEED_RESCHED, or whatever.  It
> could do a lot in the kernel before it gets back to user mode.  What if in
> there somewhere it blocks voluntarily?
> 
> Similarly, what does it mean if you get to user mode but the single-stepped
> instruction is a load/store that gets a page fault?  What if it blocks in
> the page fault handler?
> 
> For that matter, what about a page fault for the kernel-mode case?
> 
> Perhaps I'm imagining gremlins where there aren't any, but I just cannot
> really get my head around this "disable preemption while running some
> unknown instruction that normally runs with preemption enabled" thing--let
> alone "disable preemption while returning to user mode".
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Roland

I posted a patch which re-enables pre-emption after a hw-breakpoint is
processed (linuxppc-dev ref: 20100121084640.GA3252@in.ibm.com). It does
lead to clumsiness (due to the new variables to track states, prior
breakpoints, etc.) but with the reasons you pointed out, it is much
better than having uncertain/incorrect code.

Thanks for your comments.
-- K.Prasad

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-22  7:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-11 16:04 [Patch 1/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Implement hw-breakpoints for PPC64 K.Prasad
2009-12-14  0:56 ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-14 18:03   ` K.Prasad
2009-12-14 19:26     ` Roland McGrath
2009-12-17 19:03       ` K.Prasad
2010-01-19  9:40         ` K.Prasad
2010-01-19 10:03           ` Roland McGrath
2010-01-22  7:14             ` K.Prasad [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-19  9:12 [Patch 0/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Hardware Breakpoint interfaces - ver XI K.Prasad
2010-01-19  9:14 ` [Patch 1/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Implement hw-breakpoints for PPC64 K.Prasad
2010-01-21  8:46 [Patch 0/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Hardware Breakpoint interfaces - ver XII K.Prasad
2010-01-21  8:49 ` [Patch 1/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Implement hw-breakpoints for PPC64 K.Prasad
2010-02-15  5:56 [Patch 0/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Hardware Breakpoint interfaces - ver XIII K.Prasad
2010-02-15  5:59 ` [Patch 1/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Implement hw-breakpoints for PPC64 K.Prasad
2010-02-21  1:01   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-22 13:17     ` K.Prasad
2010-02-23 10:57       ` K.Prasad
2010-02-26 17:52         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-26  1:58       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-03-08 23:57         ` David Gibson
2010-03-09  2:14         ` K.Prasad
2010-03-08 18:12 [Patch 0/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Hardware Breakpoint interfaces - ver XIV K.Prasad
2010-03-08 18:14 ` [Patch 1/1] PPC64-HWBKPT: Implement hw-breakpoints for PPC64 K.Prasad
2010-03-12  6:19   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-15  6:29     ` K.Prasad
2010-04-07  8:03       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-04-14  3:53         ` K.Prasad
2010-03-23  5:33   ` Paul Mackerras
2010-03-23  7:28     ` K.Prasad

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