From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
Cc: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
Mikael Pettersson <mikpelinux@gmail.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Miroslav Franc <mfranc@redhat.com>,
Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: bit fields && data tearing
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:06:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140905040645.GO5001@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5409243C.4080704@hurleysoftware.com>
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:47:24PM -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> On 09/04/2014 10:11 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 17:17 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >> +And there are anti-guarantees:
> >> +
> >> + (*) These guarantees do not apply to bitfields, because compilers often
> >> + generate code to modify these using non-atomic read-modify-write
> >> + sequences. Do not attempt to use bitfields to synchronize parallel
> >> + algorithms.
> >> +
> >> + (*) Even in cases where bitfields are protected by locks, all fields
> >> + in a given bitfield must be protected by one lock. If two fields
> >> + in a given bitfield are protected by different locks, the compiler's
> >> + non-atomic read-modify-write sequences can cause an update to one
> >> + field to corrupt the value of an adjacent field.
> >> +
> >> + (*) These guarantees apply only to properly aligned and sized scalar
> >> + variables. "Properly sized" currently means "int" and "long",
> >> + because some CPU families do not support loads and stores of
> >> + other sizes. ("Some CPU families" is currently believed to
> >> + be only Alpha 21064. If this is actually the case, a different
> >> + non-guarantee is likely to be formulated.)
> >
> > This is a bit unclear. Presumably you're talking about definiteness of
> > the outcome (as in what's seen after multiple stores to the same
> > variable).
>
> No, the last conditions refers to adjacent byte stores from different
> cpu contexts (either interrupt or SMP).
>
> > The guarantees are only for natural width on Parisc as well,
> > so you would get a mess if you did byte stores to adjacent memory
> > locations.
>
> For a simple test like:
>
> struct x {
> long a;
> char b;
> char c;
> char d;
> char e;
> };
>
> void store_bc(struct x *p) {
> p->b = 1;
> p->c = 2;
> }
>
> on parisc, gcc generates separate byte stores
>
> void store_bc(struct x *p) {
> 0: 34 1c 00 02 ldi 1,ret0
> 4: 0f 5c 12 08 stb ret0,4(r26)
> 8: 34 1c 00 04 ldi 2,ret0
> c: e8 40 c0 00 bv r0(rp)
> 10: 0f 5c 12 0a stb ret0,5(r26)
>
> which appears to confirm that on parisc adjacent byte data
> is safe from corruption by concurrent cpu updates; that is,
>
> CPU 0 | CPU 1
> |
> p->b = 1 | p->c = 2
> |
>
> will result in p->b == 1 && p->c == 2 (assume both values
> were 0 before the call to store_bc()).
What Peter said. I would ask for suggestions for better wording, but
I would much rather be able to say that single-byte reads and writes
are atomic and that aligned-short reads and writes are also atomic.
Thus far, it looks like we lose only very old Alpha systems, so unless
I hear otherwise, I update my patch to outlaw these very old systems.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-05 4:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-12 18:13 bit fields && data tearing Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 20:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 23:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-13 12:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-13 13:15 ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-13 22:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-15 13:54 ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-15 15:02 ` Richard Henderson
2014-09-03 22:51 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-03 23:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04 8:43 ` David Laight
2014-09-04 9:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04 22:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 0:59 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 2:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 8:16 ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 18:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:01 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:50 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 19:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:24 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:38 ` Marc Gauthier
2014-09-05 20:14 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:42 ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:48 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-09-05 21:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:39 ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 21:12 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 21:27 ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 2:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 15:31 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 15:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 17:52 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 17:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:17 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-09 11:18 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08 22:47 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09 1:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-09 11:14 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:04 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-11 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-11 20:01 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-14 23:24 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-22 19:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-23 18:19 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-23 18:39 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 18:13 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 20:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-10 21:10 ` Rob Landley
2014-09-04 8:57 ` Mikael Pettersson
2014-09-04 9:09 ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 12:24 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 12:29 ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 16:50 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-04 19:42 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 22:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 0:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 1:57 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 2:11 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-05 2:47 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 4:06 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2014-09-05 8:30 ` David Laight
2014-09-05 12:31 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 12:37 ` David Laight
2014-09-05 16:17 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-25 16:12 ` Pavel Machek
2014-09-07 5:07 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 16:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 19:04 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 20:41 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08 5:50 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 20:45 ` Chris Metcalf
2014-09-08 22:43 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 2:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 8:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-08 23:30 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09 2:56 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 3:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 4:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 10:40 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-10 21:48 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 23:50 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:23 ` Will Deacon
2014-09-07 23:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-07 23:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 5:56 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:09 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 19:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 22:39 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 2:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
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