From: Michael Cree <mcree@orcon.net.nz>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
"linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
Miroslav Franc <mfranc@redhat.com>,
Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: bit fields && data tearing
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:16:48 +1200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140905081648.GB5281@omega> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54091B30.2090509@zytor.com>
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 07:08:48PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 09/04/2014 05:59 PM, Peter Hurley wrote:
> > I have no idea how prevalent the ev56 is compared to the ev5.
> > Still we're talking about a chip that came out in 1996.
>
> Ah yes, I stand corrected. According to Wikipedia, the affected CPUs
> were all the 2106x CPUs (EV4, EV45, LCA4, LCA45) plus the 21164 with no
> suffix (EV5). However, we're still talking about museum pieces here.
Yes, that is correct, EV56 is the first Alpha CPU to have the byte-word
extension (BWX) CPU instructions.
It would not worry me if the kernel decided to assume atomic aligned
scalar accesses for all arches, thus terminating support for Alphas
without BWX.
The X server, ever since the libpciaccess change, does not work on
Alphas without BWX.
Debian Alpha (pretty much up to date at Debian-Ports) is still compiled
for all Alphas, i.e., without BWX. The last attempt to start compiling
Debian Alpha with BWX, about three years ago when Alpha was kicked out
to Debian-Ports resulted in a couple or so complaints so got nowhere.
It's frustrating supporting the lowest common demoninator as many of
the bugs specific to Alpha can be resolved by recompiling with the BWX.
The kernel no longer supporting Alphas without BWX might just be the
incentive we need to switch Debian Alpha to compiling with BWX.
Cheers
Michael.
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Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-12 18:13 bit fields && data tearing Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 20:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 23:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-13 12:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-13 13:15 ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-13 22:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-15 13:54 ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-15 15:02 ` Richard Henderson
2014-09-03 22:51 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-03 23:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04 8:43 ` David Laight
2014-09-04 9:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04 22:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 0:59 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 2:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 8:16 ` Michael Cree [this message]
2014-09-05 18:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:01 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:50 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 19:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:24 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:38 ` Marc Gauthier
2014-09-05 20:14 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:42 ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:48 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-09-05 21:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:39 ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 21:12 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 21:27 ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 2:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 15:31 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 15:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 17:52 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 17:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:17 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-09 11:18 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08 22:47 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09 1:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-09 11:14 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:04 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-11 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-11 20:01 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-14 23:24 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-22 19:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-23 18:19 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-23 18:39 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 18:13 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 20:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-10 21:10 ` Rob Landley
2014-09-04 8:57 ` Mikael Pettersson
2014-09-04 9:09 ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 12:24 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 12:29 ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 16:50 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-04 19:42 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 22:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 0:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 1:57 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 2:11 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-05 2:47 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 4:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 8:30 ` David Laight
2014-09-05 12:31 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 12:37 ` David Laight
2014-09-05 16:17 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-25 16:12 ` Pavel Machek
2014-09-07 5:07 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 16:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 19:04 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 20:41 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08 5:50 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 20:45 ` Chris Metcalf
2014-09-08 22:43 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 2:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 8:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-08 23:30 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09 2:56 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 3:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 4:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 10:40 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-10 21:48 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 23:50 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:23 ` Will Deacon
2014-09-07 23:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-07 23:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 5:56 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:09 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 19:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 22:39 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09 2:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
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