From: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
paulus@samba.org, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
mingo@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] Reenable might_sleep() checks for might_fault() when atomic
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:02:23 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141126170223.3b108b94@thinkpad-w530> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141126154717.GB10568@redhat.com>
> > This is what happened on our side (very recent kernel):
> >
> > spin_lock(&lock)
> > copy_to_user(...)
> > spin_unlock(&lock)
>
> That's a deadlock even without copy_to_user - it's
> enough for the thread to be preempted and another one
> to try taking the lock.
>
>
> > 1. s390 locks/unlocks a spin lock with a compare and swap, using the _cpu id_
> > as "old value"
> > 2. we slept during copy_to_user()
> > 3. the thread got scheduled onto another cpu
> > 4. spin_unlock failed as the _cpu id_ didn't match (another cpu that locked
> > the spinlock tried to unlocked it).
> > 5. lock remained locked -> deadlock
> >
> > Christian came up with the following explanation:
> > Without preemption, spin_lock() will not touch the preempt counter.
> > disable_pfault() will always touch it.
> >
> > Therefore, with preemption disabled, copy_to_user() has no idea that it is
> > running in atomic context - and will therefore try to sleep.
> >
> > So copy_to_user() will on s390:
> > 1. run "as atomic" while spin_lock() with preemption enabled.
> > 2. run "as not atomic" while spin_lock() with preemption disabled.
> > 3. run "as atomic" while pagefault_disabled() with preemption enabled or
> > disabled.
> > 4. run "as not atomic" when really not atomic.
should have been more clear at that point:
preemption enabled == kernel compiled with preemption support
preemption disabled == kernel compiled without preemption support
> >
> > And exactly nr 2. is the thing that produced the deadlock in our scenario and
> > the reason why I want a might_sleep() :)
>
> IMHO it's not copy to user that causes the problem.
> It's the misuse of spinlocks with preemption on.
As I said, preemption was off.
>
> So might_sleep would make you think copy_to_user is
> the problem, and e.g. let you paper over it by
> moving copy_to_user out.
Actually implementing different way of locking easily fixed the problem for us.
The old might_sleep() checks would have given us the problem within a few
seconds (I tested it).
>
> Enable lock prover and you will see what the real
> issue is, which is you didn't disable preempt.
> and if you did, copy_to_user would be okay.
>
Our kernel is compiled without preemption and we turned on all lock/atomic
sleep debugging aid. No problem was detected.
----
But the question is if we shouldn't rather provide a:
copy_to_user_nosleep() implementation that can be called from
pagefault_disable() because it won't sleep.
and a
copy_to_user_sleep() implementation that cannot be called from
pagefault_disable().
Another way to fix it would be a reworked pagefault_disable() function that
somehow sets "a flag", so copy_to_user() knows that it is in fact called from a
valid context, not just from "some atomic" context. So we could trigger
might_sleep() when detecting a !pagefault_disable context.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-26 16:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-25 11:43 [RFC 0/2] Reenable might_sleep() checks for might_fault() when atomic David Hildenbrand
2014-11-25 11:43 ` [RFC 1/2] powerpc/fsl-pci: atomic get_user when pagefault_disabled David Hildenbrand
2015-01-30 5:15 ` [RFC,1/2] " Scott Wood
2015-01-30 7:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-25 11:43 ` [RFC 2/2] mm, sched: trigger might_sleep() in might_fault() when atomic David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 7:02 ` [RFC 0/2] Reenable might_sleep() checks for " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 10:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 15:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 15:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 15:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 15:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:02 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2014-11-26 16:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:30 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 16:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:07 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 16:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:51 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 17:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 17:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 7:09 ` Heiko Carstens
2014-11-27 7:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 8:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 12:04 ` Heiko Carstens
2014-11-27 12:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 15:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-27 15:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 15:37 ` David Laight
2014-11-27 15:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 16:27 ` David Laight
2014-11-27 16:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 21:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-28 7:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-26 15:30 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 15:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-26 16:02 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-26 15:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 17:10 ` [PATCH RFC " David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 17:10 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] preempt: track pagefault_disable() calls in the preempt counter David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 17:10 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] mm, sched: trigger might_sleep() in might_fault() when pagefaults are disabled David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 17:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 17:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-11-27 18:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-11-27 18:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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