Re: [PATCH 1/3] panic: Disable crash_kexec_post_notifiers if kdump is not available

[dwalker@fifo99.com]

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:40:40AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 03:34:30PM +0000, dwalker@fifo99.com wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:02:08AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 01:59:19PM +0000, dwalker@fifo99.com wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 08:19:45PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > > > dwalker@fifo99.com writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 08:41:28AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > > > >> Hidehiro Kawai <hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com> writes:
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> > You can call panic notifiers and kmsg dumpers before kdump by
> > > > > >> > specifying "crash_kexec_post_notifiers" as a boot parameter.
> > > > > >> > However, it doesn't make sense if kdump is not available.  In that
> > > > > >> > case, disable "crash_kexec_post_notifiers" boot parameter so that
> > > > > >> > you can't change the value of the parameter.
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> Nacked-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it would make sense if he just replaced "kdump" with "kexec".
> > > > > 
> > > > > It would be less insane, however it still makes no sense as without
> > > > > kexec on panic support crash_kexec is a noop.  So the value of the
> > > > > seeting makes no difference.
> > > > 
> > > > Can you explain more, I don't really understand what you mean. Are you suggesting
> > > > the whole "crash_kexec_post_notifiers" feature has no value ?
> > > 
> > > Daniel,
> > > 
> > > BTW, why are you using crash_kexec_post_notifiers commandline? Why not
> > > without it?
> > 
> > It was explained in the prior thread but to rehash, the notifiers are used to do a switch
> > over from the crashed machine to another redundant machine.
> 
> So why not detect failure using polling or issue notifications from second
> kernel.
> 
> IOW, expecting that a crashed machine will be able to deliver notification
> reliably is falwed to begin with, IMHO.

It's flawed to think you can kexec, but you still do it right ? I've not gotten into
the deep details of this switching process, but that's how this interface is used.
 
> If a machine is failing, there are high chance it can't deliver you the
> notification. Detecting that failure suing some kind of polling mechanism
> might be more reliable. And it will make even kdump mechanism more
> reliable so that it does not have to run panic notifiers after the crash.

I think what your suggesting is that my company should change how it's hardware works
and that's not really an option for me. This isn't a simple thing like checking over the
network if the machine is down or not, this is way more complex hardware design.

Daniel