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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/5] powerpc: atomic: implement atomic{,64}_{add,sub}_return_* variants
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 16:38:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150914153848.GE23878@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150914121156.GZ18673@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 01:11:56PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:01:53PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > The scenario is:
> > 
> > 	CPU0			CPU1
> > 
> > 				unlock(x)
> > 				  smp_store_release(&x->lock, 0);
> > 
> > 	unlock(y)
> > 	  smp_store_release(&next->lock, 1); /* next == &y */
> > 
> > 				lock(y)
> > 				  while (!(smp_load_acquire(&y->lock))
> > 					cpu_relax();
> > 
> > 
> > Where the lock does _NOT_ issue a store to acquire the lock at all. Now
> > I don't think any of our current primitives manage this, so we should be
> > good, but it might just be possible.
> 
> So with a bit more through this seems fundamentally impossible, you
> always needs some stores in a lock() implementation, the above for
> instance needs to queue itself, otherwise CPU0 will not be able to find
> it etc..

Which brings us back round to separating LOCK/UNLOCK from ACQUIRE/RELEASE.

If we say that UNLOCK(foo) -> LOCK(bar) is ordered but RELEASE(baz) ->
ACQUIRE(boz) is only ordered by smp_mb__release_acquire(), then I think
we're in a position where we can at least build arbitrary locks portably
out of ACQUIRE/RELEASE operations, even though I don't see any users of
that macro in the imminent future.

I'll have a crack at some documentation.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-14 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-28  2:48 [RFC 0/5] atomics: powerpc: implement relaxed/acquire/release variants of some atomics Boqun Feng
2015-08-28  2:48 ` [RFC 1/5] atomics: add test for atomic operations with _relaxed variants Boqun Feng
2015-08-28  2:48 ` [RFC 2/5] atomics: introduce arch_atomic_op_{acquire, release, fence} helpers Boqun Feng
2015-08-28 11:36   ` [RFC 2/5] atomics: introduce arch_atomic_op_{acquire,release,fence} helpers Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-28 11:50     ` Boqun Feng
2015-08-28  2:48 ` [RFC 3/5] powerpc: atomic: implement atomic{, 64}_{add, sub}_return_* variants Boqun Feng
2015-08-28 10:48   ` [RFC 3/5] powerpc: atomic: implement atomic{,64}_{add,sub}_return_* variants Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-28 12:06     ` Boqun Feng
2015-08-28 14:16       ` Boqun Feng
2015-08-28 15:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-28 16:59           ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-01 19:00           ` Will Deacon
2015-09-01 21:45             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-02  9:59               ` Will Deacon
2015-09-02 10:49                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-02 15:23                 ` Pranith Kumar
2015-09-02 15:36                   ` [RFC 3/5] powerpc: atomic: implement atomic{, 64}_{add, sub}_return_* variants Pranith Kumar
2015-09-03 10:31                     ` [RFC 3/5] powerpc: atomic: implement atomic{,64}_{add,sub}_return_* variants Will Deacon
2015-09-11 12:45                 ` Will Deacon
2015-09-11 17:09                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-14 11:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-14 12:01                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-14 12:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-14 15:38                         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2015-09-14 16:26                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-28  2:48 ` [RFC 4/5] powerpc: atomic: implement xchg_* and atomic{, 64}_xchg_* variants Boqun Feng
2015-08-28  2:48 ` [RFC 5/5] powerpc: atomic: implement cmpxchg{, 64}_* and atomic{, 64}_cmpxchg_* variants Boqun Feng

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