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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, anton@samba.org,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, peterz@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] spin loop arch primitives for busy waiting
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 01:30:11 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170407013011.7df92f04@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170406141352.GF18204@arm.com>

On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 15:13:53 +0100
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:

> Hi Nick,
> 
> On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 10:59:58AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Apr 2017 07:01:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> >   
> > > From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 13:02:33 +1000
> > >   
> > > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:43:05 -0700
> > > > Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > > >     
> > > >> But that depends on architectures having some pattern that we *can*
> > > >> abstract. Would some "begin/in-loop/end" pattern like the above be
> > > >> sufficient?    
> > > > 
> > > > Yes. begin/in/end would be sufficient for powerpc SMT priority, and
> > > > for x86, and it looks like sparc64 too. So we could do that if you
> > > > prefer.    
> > > 
> > > Sparc64 has two cases, on older chips we can induce a cpu thread yield
> > > with a special sequence of instructions, and on newer chips we have
> > > a bonafide pause instruction.
> > > 
> > > So cpu_relax() all by itself pretty much works for us.
> > >   
> > 
> > Thanks for taking a look. The default spin primitives should just
> > continue to do the right thing for you in that case.
> > 
> > Arm has a yield instruction, ia64 has a pause... No unusual
> > requirements that I can see.  
> 
> Yield tends to be implemented as a NOP in practice, since it's in the
> architecture for SMT CPUs and most ARM CPUs are single-threaded. We do have
> the WFE instruction (wait for event) which is used in our implementation of
> smp_cond_load_acquire, but I don't think we'd be able to use it with the
> proposals here.
> 
> WFE can stop the clock for the CPU until an "event" is signalled by
> another CPU. This could be done by an explicit SEV (send event) instruction,
> but that tends to require heavy barriers on the signalling side. Instead,
> the preferred way to generate an event is to clear the exclusive monitor
> reservation for the CPU executing the WFE. That means that the waiter
> does something like:
> 
> 	LDXR x0, [some_address]	// Load exclusive from some_address
> 	CMP  x0, some value	// If the value matches what I want
> 	B.EQ out		// then we're done
> 	WFE			// otherwise, wait
> 
> at this point, the waiter will stop on the WFE until its monitor is cleared,
> which happens if another CPU writes to some_address.
> 
> We've wrapped this up in the arm64 code as __cmpwait, and we use that
> to build smp_cond_load_acquire. It would be nice to use the same machinery
> for the conditional spinning here, unless you anticipate that we're only
> going to be spinning for a handful of iterations anyway?

So I do want to look at adding spin loop primitives as well as the
begin/in/end primitives to help with powerpc's SMT priorities.

So we'd have:

  spin_begin();
  spin_do {
    if (blah) {
        spin_end();
        return;
    }
  } spin_until(!locked);
  spin_end();

So you could implement your monitor with that. There's a handful of core
places. mutex, bit spinlock, seqlock, polling idle, etc. So I think if it
is beneficial for you in smp_cond_load_acquire, it should be useful in
those too.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-06 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20170403081328.30266-1-npiggin@gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <CA+55aFx92vOh28CWp5zid8RzbM=5pO0Or51zS4D8M97L=69hHA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-04-03 23:50   ` [RFC][PATCH] spin loop arch primitives for busy waiting Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-04  0:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-04  3:02       ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-04  4:11         ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-05 14:01         ` David Miller
2017-04-06  0:59           ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-06 14:13             ` Will Deacon
2017-04-06 15:16               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-06 16:36                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-06 17:31                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-06 19:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-06 19:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-07  3:31                         ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-07  9:43                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07 11:26                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-06 15:30               ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2017-04-07 16:13                 ` Will Deacon

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