From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Brice Goglin <brice.goglin@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:58:45 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171230065845.GD27959@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <71317994-af66-a1b2-4c7a-86a03253cf62@gmail.com>
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:10:34AM +0100, Brice Goglin wrote:
> > Perhaps we can enlist /proc/iomem or a similar enumeration interface
> > to tell userspace the NUMA node and whether the kernel thinks it has
> > better or worse performance characteristics relative to base
> > system-RAM, i.e. new IORES_DESC_* values. I'm worried that if we start
> > publishing absolute numbers in sysfs userspace will default to looking
> > for specific magic numbers in sysfs vs asking the kernel for memory
> > that has performance characteristics relative to base "System RAM". In
> > other words the absolute performance information that the HMAT
> > publishes is useful to the kernel, but it's not clear that userspace
> > needs that vs a relative indicator for making NUMA node preference
> > decisions.
>
> Some HPC users will benchmark the machine to discovery actual
> performance numbers anyway.
> However, most users won't do this. They will want to know relative
> performance of different nodes. If you normalize HMAT values by dividing
> them with system-RAM values, that's likely OK. If you just say "that
> node is faster than system RAM", it's not precise enough.
So "this memory has 800% bandwidth of normal" and "this memory has 70%
bandwidth of normal"?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-12-30 6:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20171214021019.13579-1-ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
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2017-12-20 18:19 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] create sysfs representation of ACPI HMAT Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 20:22 ` Dave Hansen
2017-12-20 21:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-20 21:24 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-20 22:29 ` Dan Williams
2017-12-20 22:41 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 20:31 ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-22 22:53 ` Dan Williams
2017-12-22 23:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-22 23:57 ` Dan Williams
2017-12-23 1:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-12-27 9:10 ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-30 6:58 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2017-12-30 9:19 ` Brice Goglin
2017-12-20 21:13 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 1:41 ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-12-22 21:46 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-12-21 12:50 ` Michael Ellerman
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