From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr0-x243.google.com (mail-wr0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4098WS5snbzF234 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:50:59 +1100 (AEDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x243.google.com with SMTP id z8so20469038wrh.7 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:50:46 -0600 From: Jason Gunthorpe To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt Cc: Sinan Kaya , Arnd Bergmann , David Laight , Oliver , "open list:LINUX FOR POWERPC (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)" , "linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" , Alexander Duyck , Will Deacon , "Paul E. McKenney" Subject: Re: RFC on writel and writel_relaxed Message-ID: <20180326225046.GL15554@ziepe.ca> References: <20180326165425.GA15554@ziepe.ca> <20180326202545.GB15554@ziepe.ca> <20180326210951.GD15554@ziepe.ca> <1522101717.7364.14.camel@kernel.crashing.org> <20180326222756.GJ15554@ziepe.ca> <1522103771.7364.20.camel@kernel.crashing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <1522103771.7364.20.camel@kernel.crashing.org> List-Id: Linux on PowerPC Developers Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 09:36:11AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 16:27 -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > Otherwise almost all drivers out there are broken which I very much > > > doubt :-) > > > > But.. Sinan is right, you look anywhere in the driver tree and you > > find stuff like this: > > > > drivers/net/ethernet/intel/i40e/i40e_txrx.c > > > > /* Force memory writes to complete before letting h/w > > * know there are new descriptors to fetch. > > */ > > wmb(); > > > > > > It is *systemic* > > Yes, because they all copied e1000e :-) If you look at the comment in > there, it does say it's only for weakly ordered archs such as ia64, and > even then, probably predates Linus strong statement on the matter. Hahah, sure I'll buy that.. But still, if this really is the case, a *strong* statement in barriers.txt to that effect (and not an example demanding the wmb()!) would be very helpful for those of us that have to review driver code! Jason