From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Oliver <oohall@gmail.com>,
"open list:LINUX FOR POWERPC (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: RFC on writel and writel_relaxed
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:09:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180328090907.GC28871@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d3973edea93473197505f2e42cd3107@AcuMS.aculab.com>
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 09:00:01AM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Will Deacon
> > Sent: 28 March 2018 09:54
> ...
> > > > I don't think so. My reading of memory-barriers.txt says that writeX might
> > > > expand to outX, and outX is not ordered with respect to other types of
> > > > memory.
> > >
> > > Ugh ?
> > >
> > > My understanding of HW at least is the exact opposite. outX is *more*
> > > ordered if anything, than any other accessors. IO space is completely
> > > synchronous, non posted and ordered afaik.
> >
> > I'm just going by memory-barriers.txt:
> >
> >
> > (*) inX(), outX():
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > They are guaranteed to be fully ordered with respect to each other.
> >
> > They are not guaranteed to be fully ordered with respect to other types of
> > memory and I/O operation.
>
> A long time ago there was a document from Intel that said that inb/outb weren't
> necessarily synchronised wrt memory accesses.
> (Might be P-pro era).
> However no processors actually behaved that way and more recent docs
> say that inb/outb are fully ordered.
Thank you, David! I'll write another patch fixing this up and hopefully
we'll soon have one making writeX/readX much clearer.
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-03-28 9:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-03-21 3:07 RFC on writel and writel_relaxed Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 3:40 ` Oliver
2018-03-21 13:53 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 13:58 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 13:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 16:00 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-21 14:35 ` David Laight
2018-03-21 15:04 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-22 5:24 ` Oliver
2018-03-22 8:20 ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22 9:25 ` Oliver
2018-03-22 11:25 ` Gabriel Paubert
2018-03-22 10:37 ` David Laight
2018-03-22 4:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 10:15 ` Oliver
2018-03-22 13:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-22 17:51 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23 0:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-23 13:42 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-24 1:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-24 15:06 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 11:44 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-26 12:11 ` okaya
2018-03-26 12:42 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-23 16:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-24 1:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 11:08 ` David Laight
2018-03-26 16:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 20:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 20:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 21:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-26 21:46 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:08 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-26 22:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 22:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 23:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 1:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 7:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 8:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 9:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:00 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 12:22 ` okaya
2018-03-27 14:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 21:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 9:57 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 10:09 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 10:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:02 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 11:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 13:20 ` David Laight
2018-03-27 13:46 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 14:36 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 21:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 8:53 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28 9:00 ` David Laight
2018-03-28 9:09 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-03-28 9:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 9:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 9:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28 10:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:13 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28 16:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 9:19 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29 14:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 14:58 ` David Laight
2018-03-29 16:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 21:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 9:42 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 11:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 11:24 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 14:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-27 14:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-26 22:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 14:46 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 15:01 ` Jose Abreu
2018-03-27 15:10 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-27 18:54 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-03-27 19:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 20:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-27 21:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28 1:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 2:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28 3:24 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-28 4:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 6:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28 11:41 ` okaya
2018-03-28 15:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 15:55 ` David Miller
2018-03-28 16:23 ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-03-28 21:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 22:09 ` Nicholas Piggin
2018-03-29 9:20 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-29 13:56 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-29 14:04 ` David Miller
2018-03-29 16:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-29 16:59 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-30 1:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-04-02 13:01 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-28 4:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 6:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28 6:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 6:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-28 6:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 7:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-03-28 7:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 9:07 ` Will Deacon
2018-03-28 9:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 10:13 ` Aw: " Lino Sanfilippo
2018-03-28 10:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 11:30 ` David Laight
2018-03-28 15:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-28 16:16 ` David Laight
2018-03-28 1:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-27 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-26 21:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-03-27 21:54 Alexander Duyck
2018-03-27 22:35 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-27 23:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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