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Thu, 16 May 2019 17:22:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 17:22:53 +0200 From: Oleg Nesterov To: Aleksa Sarai Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] pid: add pidfd_open() Message-ID: <20190516152252.GD22564@redhat.com> References: <20190516135944.7205-1-christian@brauner.io> <20190516142659.GB22564@redhat.com> <20190516145607.j43xyj26k6l5vmbd@yavin> <20190516150611.GC22564@redhat.com> <20190516151202.hrawrx7hxllmz2di@yavin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190516151202.hrawrx7hxllmz2di@yavin> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.22 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Thu, 16 May 2019 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) X-BeenThere: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Linux on PowerPC Developers Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, dhowells@redhat.com, joel@joelfernandes.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, elena.reshetova@intel.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, dancol@google.com, Geert Uytterhoeven , Christian Brauner , serge@hallyn.com, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, keescook@chromium.org, arnd@arndb.de, jannh@google.com, linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, luto@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, luto@amacapital.net, ebiederm@xmission.com, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org Errors-To: linuxppc-dev-bounces+linuxppc-dev=archiver.kernel.org@lists.ozlabs.org Sender: "Linuxppc-dev" On 05/17, Aleksa Sarai wrote: > > On 2019-05-16, Oleg Nesterov wrote: > > On 05/17, Aleksa Sarai wrote: > > > On 2019-05-16, Oleg Nesterov wrote: > > > > On 05/16, Christian Brauner wrote: > > > > > With the introduction of pidfds through CLONE_PIDFD it is possible to > > > > > created pidfds at process creation time. > > > > > > > > Now I am wondering why do we need CLONE_PIDFD, you can just do > > > > > > > > pid = fork(); > > > > pidfd_open(pid); > > > > > > While the race window would be exceptionally short, there is the > > > possibility that the child will die > > > > Yes, > > > > > and their pid will be recycled > > > before you do pidfd_open(). > > > > No. > > > > Unless the caller's sub-thread does wait() before pidfd_open(), of course. > > Or unless you do signal(SIGCHILD, SIG_IGN). > > What about CLONE_PARENT? I should have mentioned CLONE_PARENT ;) Of course in this case the child can be reaped before pidfd_open(). But how often do you or other people use clone(CLONE_PARENT) ? not to mention you can trivially eliminate/detect this race if you really need this. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say that CLONE_PIDFD is a bad idea. But to me pidfd_open() is much more useful. Say, as a perl programmer I can easily use pidfd_open(), but not CLONE_PIDFD. Oleg.