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From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: "linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] powerpc/bitops: Use immediate operand when possible
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:20:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210414172003.GX26583@gate.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <efcabc9410cf4d03b203749a02e5a935@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 03:32:04PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Segher Boessenkool
> > Sent: 14 April 2021 16:19
> ...
> > > Could the kernel use GCC builtin atomic functions instead ?
> > >
> > > https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/_005f_005fatomic-Builtins.html
> > 
> > Certainly that should work fine for the simpler cases that the atomic
> > operations are meant to provide.  But esp. for not-so-simple cases the
> > kernel may require some behaviour provided by the existing assembler
> > implementation, and not by the atomic builtins.
> > 
> > I'm not saying this cannot work, just that some serious testing will be
> > needed.  If it works it should be the best of all worlds, so then it is
> > a really good idea yes :-)
> 
> I suspect they just add an extra layer of abstraction that makes it
> even more difficult to verify and could easily get broken by a compiler
> update (etc).

I would say it uses an existing facility, instead of creating a kernel-
specific one.

> The other issue is that the code needs to be correct with compiled
> with (for example) -O0.
> That could very easily break anything except the asm implementation
> if additional memory accesses and/or increased code size cause grief.

The compiler generates correct code.  New versions of the compiler or
old, -O0 or not, under any phase of the moon.

Of course sometimes the compiler is broken, but there are pre-existing
ways of dealing with that, and there is no reason at all to think this
would break more often than random other code.


Segher

      reply	other threads:[~2021-04-14 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-08 15:33 [PATCH v1 1/2] powerpc/bitops: Use immediate operand when possible Christophe Leroy
2021-04-08 15:33 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] powerpc/atomics: " Christophe Leroy
2021-04-12 22:08   ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-13 16:36     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-04-12 21:54 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] powerpc/bitops: " Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-13 16:33   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-04-13 21:58     ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-14  2:01       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-04-14 12:24         ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-14 12:42           ` Christophe Leroy
2021-04-14 15:19             ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-04-14 15:32               ` David Laight
2021-04-14 17:20                 ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]

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