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From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Carsten Strotmann <carsten@strotmann.de>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Carsten Strotmann <cas@strotmann.de>,
	John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, horms@kernel.org,
	geert@linux-m68k.org, chleroy@kernel.org, npiggin@gmail.com,
	mpe@ellerman.id.au, maddy@linux.ibm.com,
	linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/2] appletalk: move the protocol out of tree
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2026 10:01:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2791b2e3-bf58-4dce-9262-4f1d8d3241fb@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <489024bc-b6e5-f601-3bce-444d75abbf5d@linux-m68k.org>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 10:55:54AM +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2026, Carsten Strotmann wrote:
> 
> > > _Someone_ has to handle the reports and patches. And since nobody is 
> > > doing that the code is going to GitHub, where it can continue to "just 
> > > be left" or whatever, without racking up CVEs for the Linux kernel and 
> > > leading to maintainer burn out :/
> > > 
> > 
> > That's a good point. The large influx of reports is a problem, and burn 
> > out of maintainers is a too high cost.
> > 
> 
> Carsten, if, as a maintainer, you want to avoid burnout then

It is not necessarily Carsten who is heading towards burnout.
appletalk is just one of many many drivers where the listed
Maintainers does not respond to patches, or there is no Maintainer at
all. So a lot of work falls on the top level netdev Maintainers. In
fact, a lot of the AI driven bug fixes tend to fall into this category
of old drivers with no active Maintainers, since that tends to be
where the poorer quality code is. So top level netdev Maintainers are
having to do a lot more work, on old drivers which very few people
care about. That is a poor use of their talent, when we actually want
them working on drivers for modern hardware with a lot of users.

If the appletalk community can take the workload off the top level
maintainers, respond to all patches within 2 to 3 days, give
Reviewed-by, or make change requests, it can probably stay in the
Mainline kernel. Otherwise it will move out of tree.

     Andrew



  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-18  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-15 22:29 [PATCH net-next 0/2] appletalk: move the protocol out of tree Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-15 22:29 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] appletalk: stop storing per-interface state in struct net_device Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-15 22:29 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] appletalk: move the protocol out of tree Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-15 23:34 ` [PATCH net-next 0/2] " John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2026-06-16  0:55   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-16  7:13     ` Carsten Strotmann
2026-06-16 15:49       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-17 11:15         ` Carsten Strotmann
2026-06-18  0:55           ` Finn Thain
2026-06-18  8:01             ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2026-06-18  8:13               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-06-18 11:23                 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-06-18  8:31               ` Finn Thain
2026-06-16  2:01 ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-06-16 22:00 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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