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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Kalle Valo <kvalo@kernel.org>
Cc: Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>,
	Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	Dwaipayan Ray <dwaipayanray1@gmail.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/3] coding-style.rst: document BUG() and WARN() rules ("do not crash the kernel")
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:32:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31f20ddf-cd41-69b5-2875-2d738b166ae2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87leq64m20.fsf@kernel.org>

On 26.09.22 09:44, Kalle Valo wrote:
> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>>>> +Use WARN_ON_ONCE() rather than WARN() or WARN_ON()
>>>> +**************************************************
>>>> +
>>>> +WARN_ON_ONCE() is generally preferred over WARN() or WARN_ON(), because it
>>>> +is common for a given warning condition, if it occurs at all, to occur
>>>> +multiple times. This can fill up and wrap the kernel log, and can even slow
>>>> +the system enough that the excessive logging turns into its own, additional
>>>> +problem.
>>>
>>> FWIW I have had cases where WARN() messages caused a reboot, maybe
>>> mention that here? In my case the logging was so excessive that the
>>> watchdog wasn't updated and in the end the device was forcefully
>>> rebooted.
>>>
>>
>> That should be covered by the last part, no? What would be your suggestion?
> 
> I was just thinking that maybe make it more obvious that even WARN_ON()
> can crash the system, something along these lines:
> 
> "..., additional problem like stalling the system so much that it causes
> a reboot."

Hi Kalle,

sorry for the late reply. Jonathan already queued v2 and sent it upstream.

I think that's it is already covered by the statement and that the 
additional example isn't required -- most of us learned the hard way 
that "excessive logging turns into its own problem" includes all weird 
kinds of kernel crashes. A panic/reboot due to a watchdog not firing is 
one such possible outcome.

Thanks!

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-04 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-20 12:22 [PATCH v1 0/3] coding-style.rst: document BUG() and WARN() rules David Hildenbrand
2022-09-20 12:23 ` [PATCH v1 1/3] coding-style.rst: document BUG() and WARN() rules ("do not crash the kernel") David Hildenbrand
2022-09-21  4:40   ` Kalle Valo
2022-09-22 14:12     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-26  7:44       ` Kalle Valo
2022-10-04 12:32         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-09-22 13:43   ` Akira Yokosawa
2022-09-22 14:41     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-23  2:26   ` John Hubbard
2022-09-23  2:37     ` John Hubbard
2022-09-23 10:55     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-20 12:23 ` [PATCH v1 2/3] powerpc/prom_init: drop PROM_BUG() David Hildenbrand
2022-09-21 13:02   ` Michael Ellerman
2022-09-21 13:03     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-20 12:23 ` [PATCH v1 3/3] checkpatch: warn on usage of VM_BUG_ON() and other BUG variants David Hildenbrand
2022-09-23  2:05   ` John Hubbard
2022-09-23  2:11     ` Joe Perches
2022-09-23  2:20       ` John Hubbard
2022-09-23 10:58         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-10-04 13:24 ` (subset) [PATCH v1 0/3] coding-style.rst: document BUG() and WARN() rules Michael Ellerman

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