* The New iMac
@ 1999-10-11 18:35 Jules Bean
1999-10-11 20:42 ` hollis
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From: Jules Bean @ 1999-10-11 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linuxppc-dev
Hi all,
I'm pondering buying myself a new computer, and the iMac is one of the
choices. It has considerable advantages for me (easy portability, no
fan), but I certainly don't want something which can't run Linux.
On the other hand, I'm very happy to work on getting Linux to run on it
(once I've got one) - I know my way around C and have some experience
prodding around kernels and booting machine off serial consoles.
Has anyone got any information about how hard it's going to be to get
Linux running on the iMac's, and whether anyone in particular is planning
to work on it? (I imagine the linuxppc.com people will be keen to, if
it's anything like as successful piece of hardware as the original iMac).
Cheers,
Jules
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* Re: The New iMac
1999-10-11 18:35 The New iMac Jules Bean
@ 1999-10-11 20:42 ` hollis
1999-10-11 21:39 ` Alex Vallens
1999-10-11 22:05 ` Jules Bean
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From: hollis @ 1999-10-11 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jules Bean; +Cc: linuxppc-dev
Jules Bean wrote:
>
> I'm pondering buying myself a new computer, and the iMac is one of the
> choices. It has considerable advantages for me (easy portability, no
> fan), but I certainly don't want something which can't run Linux.
Tell that to leadership@apple.com. Seriously. Everyone who is in the
same situation should tell Apple. That's the only way they'll take Linux
seriously.
> On the other hand, I'm very happy to work on getting Linux to run on it
> (once I've got one) - I know my way around C and have some experience
> prodding around kernels and booting machine off serial consoles.
>
> Has anyone got any information about how hard it's going to be to get
> Linux running on the iMac's, and whether anyone in particular is planning
> to work on it? (I imagine the linuxppc.com people will be keen to, if
> it's anything like as successful piece of hardware as the original iMac).
I think there are plenty of developers who would be interested. Right
now the biggest obstacle is availability - no one has them yet. In two
months, *then* the obstacle will be the technical details.
-Hollis
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* Re: The New iMac
1999-10-11 20:42 ` hollis
@ 1999-10-11 21:39 ` Alex Vallens
1999-10-11 22:09 ` Jules Bean
1999-10-11 23:27 ` Kevyn Shortell
1999-10-11 22:05 ` Jules Bean
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From: Alex Vallens @ 1999-10-11 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hollis; +Cc: Jules Bean, linuxppc-dev
It looks as though the real question is does it work on the iBook. The
only significant addition to the new iMacs is the "New World" interface.
This, if I remember correctly, posed some problems this summer when we
tried to boot one of the iMacs at Macworld off the Linux CD. Has anyone
messed around with booting an iBook with the Linux kernel? If this
obstacle can be leaped, I'm sure the iMac will be easily booted also.
What about the G4's? Anyone seen one of those Sawtooth machines, (not
the Yikes!, since Yikes! is still the G3 architecture with a G4 slapped
on)? All three of these have "New World" ROMs, so getting one to work
should be enough to get all to boot.
Alex
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* Re: The New iMac
1999-10-11 20:42 ` hollis
1999-10-11 21:39 ` Alex Vallens
@ 1999-10-11 22:05 ` Jules Bean
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Jules Bean @ 1999-10-11 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: hollis; +Cc: linuxppc-dev
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 hollis@andrew.cmu.edu wrote:
>
> Jules Bean wrote:
> >
> > I'm pondering buying myself a new computer, and the iMac is one of the
> > choices. It has considerable advantages for me (easy portability, no
> > fan), but I certainly don't want something which can't run Linux.
>
> Tell that to leadership@apple.com. Seriously. Everyone who is in the
> same situation should tell Apple. That's the only way they'll take Linux
> seriously.
Ah. It's funny how you don't notice obvious ideas until someone points
them out to you.
I'll do exactly that.
>
> > On the other hand, I'm very happy to work on getting Linux to run on it
> > (once I've got one) - I know my way around C and have some experience
> > prodding around kernels and booting machine off serial consoles.
> >
> > Has anyone got any information about how hard it's going to be to get
> > Linux running on the iMac's, and whether anyone in particular is planning
> > to work on it? (I imagine the linuxppc.com people will be keen to, if
> > it's anything like as successful piece of hardware as the original iMac).
>
> I think there are plenty of developers who would be interested. Right
> now the biggest obstacle is availability - no one has them yet. In two
> months, *then* the obstacle will be the technical details.
I'll email leadership, and continue thinking about it myself.
Jules
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* Re: The New iMac
1999-10-11 21:39 ` Alex Vallens
@ 1999-10-11 22:09 ` Jules Bean
1999-10-11 23:27 ` Kevyn Shortell
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Jules Bean @ 1999-10-11 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alex Vallens; +Cc: hollis, linuxppc-dev
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Alex Vallens wrote:
>
> It looks as though the real question is does it work on the iBook. The
> only significant addition to the new iMacs is the "New World" interface.
> This, if I remember correctly, posed some problems this summer when we
> tried to boot one of the iMacs at Macworld off the Linux CD. Has anyone
> messed around with booting an iBook with the Linux kernel? If this
> obstacle can be leaped, I'm sure the iMac will be easily booted also.
I was thinking the iMac had a new motherboard design, but maybe I'm
confused...
>
> What about the G4's? Anyone seen one of those Sawtooth machines, (not
> the Yikes!, since Yikes! is still the G3 architecture with a G4 slapped
> on)? All three of these have "New World" ROMs, so getting one to work
> should be enough to get all to boot.
My father's has just been shipped, according to apple. (He's in VA) So
they're on their way...
Jules
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* Re: The New iMac
1999-10-11 21:39 ` Alex Vallens
1999-10-11 22:09 ` Jules Bean
@ 1999-10-11 23:27 ` Kevyn Shortell
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Kevyn Shortell @ 1999-10-11 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alex Vallens; +Cc: linuxppc-dev
So there seems to be alot of confusion regarding chipsets, roms and such.
Here's a basic rundown.
NewWorld = The ROM Architecture used in ALL iMac's, B&W's, G4's and the Power
Book G3 1999 models. NewWorld is not an interface, it is not a new
motherboard design, it is the boot ROM used by your computer to
load the operating system.
UMA = Universal Motherboard Architrecture, which currently is used in
iBook, iMac, and G4 Machines (Excluding the 400). This is an
entirely new motherboard design.
Uni-North = The Uni-North memory controller and bus bridge IC combines
the memory controller, the PCI bus bridge, the Ethernet
interface, and the AGP port into a single IC.
Key-Largo = The KeyLargo is an integrated I/O controller and DMA engine
for use in Power Macintosh computers with a PCI bus.
The KeyLargo IC provides support for the Ultra ATA bus, USB,
Sound IC, Power Controller, and AirPort card.
If you'd like to learn more about Apple hardware, please feel free to
take a look at http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/hardware/hardware.html,
which is our Hardware Developer Documentation section of our web site.
Thanks.
Kevyn
At 3:39 PM -0600 10/11/99, Alex Vallens wrote:
>It looks as though the real question is does it work on the iBook. The
>only significant addition to the new iMacs is the "New World" interface.
>This, if I remember correctly, posed some problems this summer when we
>tried to boot one of the iMacs at Macworld off the Linux CD. Has anyone
>messed around with booting an iBook with the Linux kernel? If this
>obstacle can be leaped, I'm sure the iMac will be easily booted also.
>
>What about the G4's? Anyone seen one of those Sawtooth machines, (not
>the Yikes!, since Yikes! is still the G3 architecture with a G4 slapped
>on)? All three of these have "New World" ROMs, so getting one to work
>should be enough to get all to boot.
>
>Alex
>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Kevyn Shortell Worldwide Developer Relations
Technology Manager Apple Computer, Inc
kevyn@apple.com http://developer.apple.com/
"War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left"
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