Walnut user-space software problem

Walnut user-space software problem

[Joe Dery]

My senior design group is working with a IBM Walnut board
with the 200 MHz 405GP r3.  We have the linux kernel and
target filesystem taken from the Nov. 26, 2000 sources.
The board boots Linux from NFS flawlessly after compilation
using the CDK 1.0 8xx toolkit.

Our project objectives include  compiling the ITU-T G.723.1
(Voice over IP) standard C source code.  We are (again) using
the powerpc-linux-gcc included with the MV CDK 1.0 tools for
PowerPC 8xx-based machines.

I understand that an updated devkit is available, but since
our budget cannot touch the subscription fees needed to
obtain the MontaVista toolkit for the 405GP.

Enough background already.  The problem arises in that
when we compile the VoIP source code and run it on the
PowerPC, the output of the encoder and decoder is wrong.
When the same code is compiled for our host machine
(using i386 gcc) the output is ok.  This C code involves a
lot of speed-oriented fixed-point mathematics - that is, a lot
of multiplies and shifts (to avoid divides)  Just searching for
the >> and << operators in the kernel source doesn't bring
up much.  So to me this may be the culprit.  Sorry to make
this so vague - I am just hoping that someone has seen problems
with math/DSP oriented programs before and can suggest
something!

Also, I wanted to verify the size of the variable types in the
gcc compiler for the PowerPC.  Please correct me if I'm
wrong.

int 		- 32 bit signed integer
short	- 16 bit signed integer

I am also curious if this could be caused by the Revision C
errata.  However, I am not sure of that errata's nature or the
methods of work-around.

Thanks for any help you can provide in advance!
Joe Dery
jedery@mtu.edu

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RE: Walnut user-space software problem

[Lucinda Schafer]

Could this be a little Endian--big Endian problem?

Your variable size assumptions are correct.

Lucinda Schafer
Staff Software Engineer
Adaptive Micro-Ware, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Dery [mailto:jedery@mtu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:50 AM
To: linuxppc-embedded@lists.linuxppc.org
Subject: Walnut user-space software problem



My senior design group is working with a IBM Walnut board
with the 200 MHz 405GP r3.  We have the linux kernel and
target filesystem taken from the Nov. 26, 2000 sources.
The board boots Linux from NFS flawlessly after compilation
using the CDK 1.0 8xx toolkit.

Our project objectives include  compiling the ITU-T G.723.1
(Voice over IP) standard C source code.  We are (again) using
the powerpc-linux-gcc included with the MV CDK 1.0 tools for
PowerPC 8xx-based machines.

I understand that an updated devkit is available, but since
our budget cannot touch the subscription fees needed to
obtain the MontaVista toolkit for the 405GP.

Enough background already.  The problem arises in that
when we compile the VoIP source code and run it on the
PowerPC, the output of the encoder and decoder is wrong.
When the same code is compiled for our host machine
(using i386 gcc) the output is ok.  This C code involves a
lot of speed-oriented fixed-point mathematics - that is, a lot
of multiplies and shifts (to avoid divides)  Just searching for
the >> and << operators in the kernel source doesn't bring
up much.  So to me this may be the culprit.  Sorry to make
this so vague - I am just hoping that someone has seen problems
with math/DSP oriented programs before and can suggest
something!

Also, I wanted to verify the size of the variable types in the
gcc compiler for the PowerPC.  Please correct me if I'm
wrong.

int 		- 32 bit signed integer
short	- 16 bit signed integer

I am also curious if this could be caused by the Revision C
errata.  However, I am not sure of that errata's nature or the
methods of work-around.

Thanks for any help you can provide in advance!
Joe Dery
jedery@mtu.edu


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Re: Walnut user-space software problem

[Frank Rowand]

Joe Dery wrote:
>
> My senior design group is working with a IBM Walnut board
> with the 200 MHz 405GP r3.  We have the linux kernel and
> target filesystem taken from the Nov. 26, 2000 sources.
> The board boots Linux from NFS flawlessly after compilation
> using the CDK 1.0 8xx toolkit.
>
> Our project objectives include  compiling the ITU-T G.723.1
> (Voice over IP) standard C source code.  We are (again) using
> the powerpc-linux-gcc included with the MV CDK 1.0 tools for
> PowerPC 8xx-based machines.
>
> I understand that an updated devkit is available, but since
> our budget cannot touch the subscription fees needed to
> obtain the MontaVista toolkit for the 405GP.

I have put the 405GP tool chain (compiler, linker, etc) and a
stripped down set of files for the target system out on
the MontaVista ftp site, but haven't had time to update my
web page to point to them and document their usage.  If you are
willing to put up with the pain of this lack of documentation,
here is the basic info...

  The files are on ftp.mvista.com (login as "ftp") in the
  pub/CDK/1.0/latest/ppc_4xx/ directory.  The files are
  actually from the 1.2 CDK, but I didn't update the
  documentation to reflect that fact, or to note which
  RPMs I included and which I excluded.

  Since you are using a Rev C Walnut, you need to uninstall
  a few RPMS

    rpm -e hhl-ppc_4xx-walnut-lsp-2.4.0-test2-1.2.1-1
    rpm -e hhl-ppc_4xx-walnut-lsp-binaries-2.4.0-test2
    rpm -e --nodeps hhl-ppc_4xx-glibc-2.1.3-2

  and install a replacement

    rpm -ivh hhl-ppc_4xx-glibc-2.1.3-2_PPC405RevC.noarch.rpm

> Enough background already.  The problem arises in that
> when we compile the VoIP source code and run it on the
> PowerPC, the output of the encoder and decoder is wrong.
> When the same code is compiled for our host machine
> (using i386 gcc) the output is ok.  This C code involves a
> lot of speed-oriented fixed-point mathematics - that is, a lot
> of multiplies and shifts (to avoid divides)  Just searching for
> the >> and << operators in the kernel source doesn't bring
> up much.  So to me this may be the culprit.  Sorry to make
> this so vague - I am just hoping that someone has seen problems
> with math/DSP oriented programs before and can suggest
> something!
>
> Also, I wanted to verify the size of the variable types in the
> gcc compiler for the PowerPC.  Please correct me if I'm
> wrong.
>
> int             - 32 bit signed integer
> short   - 16 bit signed integer
>
> I am also curious if this could be caused by the Revision C
> errata.  However, I am not sure of that errata's nature or the
> methods of work-around.

You really want to move forward to the rev D 405GP.  The workarounds
in the kernel for the rev C are not 100% effective.


> Thanks for any help you can provide in advance!
> Joe Dery
> jedery@mtu.edu
>


-Frank
--
Frank Rowand <frank_rowand@mvista.com>
MontaVista Software, Inc

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Re: Walnut user-space software problem

[Dan Malek]

Frank Rowand wrote:

> You really want to move forward to the rev D 405GP.  The workarounds
> in the kernel for the rev C are not 100% effective.

Now you tell me :-).  I've been struggling with cache related problems
for several weeks trying to get the software merged into the latest
tree.........



	-- Dan

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