* Re: [PATCH 1/2] of: Add support for linking device tree blobs into vmlinux
[not found] ` <4CE21163.2070806@gmail.com>
@ 2010-11-16 5:17 ` Grant Likely
2010-11-16 5:28 ` Dirk Brandewie
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Grant Likely @ 2010-11-16 5:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dirk Brandewie; +Cc: sodaville, devicetree-discuss, arjan, linuxppc-dev
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Dirk Brandewie
<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/15/2010 08:41 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 08:01:20PM -0800, dirk.brandewie@gmail.com wrote=
:
>>>
>>> From: Dirk Brandewie<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> This patch adds support for linking device tree blobs into
>>> vmlinux. The device tree blobs are placed in the init.data
>>> section.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Dirk Brandewie<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com>
>>> ---
>>> =A0include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h | =A0 19 +++++++++++++++++--
>>> =A0scripts/Makefile.lib =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 17 +++++++++++=
++++++
>>> =A02 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>> b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>> index bd69d79..ea671e7 100644
>>> --- a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>> +++ b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>> @@ -67,7 +67,14 @@
>>> =A0 * Align to a 32 byte boundary equal to the
>>> =A0 * alignment gcc 4.5 uses for a struct
>>> =A0 */
>>> -#define STRUCT_ALIGN() . =3D ALIGN(32)
>>> +#define STRUCT_ALIGNMENT 32
>>> +#define STRUCT_ALIGN() . =3D ALIGN(STRUCT_ALIGNMENT)
>>> +
>>> +/* Device tree blobs linked into the kernel need to have proper
>>> + * structure alignment to be parsed by the flat device tree library
>>> + * used in early boot
>>> +*/
>>> +#define DTB_ALIGNMENT STRUCT_ALIGNMENT
>>>
>>> =A0/* The actual configuration determine if the init/exit sections
>>> =A0 * are handled as text/data or they can be discarded (which
>>> @@ -146,6 +153,13 @@
>>> =A0#define TRACE_SYSCALLS()
>>> =A0#endif
>>>
>>> +
>>> +#define KERNEL_DTB() =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 . =3D ALIGN(DTB_ALIGNMENT); =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 VMLINUX_SYMBOL(__dtb_start) =3D .; =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0\
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 *(.dtb.init.rodata) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 VMLINUX_SYMBOL(__dtb_end) =3D .;
>>> +
>>> =A0/* .data section */
>>> =A0#define DATA_DATA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*(.data) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0\
>>> @@ -468,7 +482,8 @@
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0MCOUNT_REC() =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0\
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0DEV_DISCARD(init.rodata) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0\
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0CPU_DISCARD(init.rodata) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0\
>>> - =A0 =A0 =A0 MEM_DISCARD(init.rodata)
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 MEM_DISCARD(init.rodata) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0\
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 KERNEL_DTB()
>>>
>>> =A0#define INIT_TEXT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*(.init.text) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 \
>>> diff --git a/scripts/Makefile.lib b/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>> index 4c72c11..a8a4774 100644
>>> --- a/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>> +++ b/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>> @@ -200,6 +200,23 @@ quiet_cmd_gzip =3D GZIP =A0 =A0$@
>>> =A0cmd_gzip =3D (cat $(filter-out FORCE,$^) | gzip -f -9> =A0$@) || \
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(rm -f $@ ; false)
>>>
>>> +# DTC
>>> +#
>>> =A0--------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------
>>> +$(obj)/%.dtb.S: $(obj)/%.dtb FORCE
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '#include<asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h>'> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.section .dtb.init.rodata,"a"'>> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.balign DTB_ALIGNMENT'>> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.global __dtb_$(*F)_begin'>> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '__dtb_$(*F)_begin:'>> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.incbin "$<" '>> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '__dtb_$(*F)_end:'>> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.global __dtb_$(*F)_end'>> =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.balign DTB_ALIGNMENT'>> =A0$@
>>> +
>>> +DTC =3D $(objtree)/scripts/dtc/dtc
>>> +
>>> +quiet_cmd_dtc =3D DTC =A0 =A0$@
>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0cmd_dtc =3D $(DTC) -O dtb -o $(obj)/$*.dtb -b 0 =A0$(src)/=
$*.dts
>>
>> Missing the %.dtb: %.dts rule, but otherwise looks okay. =A0You will
>> need to make sure this doesn't break powerpc or microblaze when the
>> dts->dtb rule is added.
>>
> I have the rule
> =A0$(obj)/%.dtb: $(src)/%.dts
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0$(call if_changed,dtc)
> in the arch/x86/kernel/Makefile to prevent this sneaking into other other
> architectures.
This rule looks correct. PowerPC and Microblaze need to be modified
to use it. It should not be hard to do, give it a try. Worst case,
your first attempt is wrong and the rest of us fix it up. :-)
Hint: PowerPC currently puts the .dtb file in a different directory
from the source .dts file. It doesn't need to do it that way.
arch/powerpc/boot/Makefile will need to be modified.
g.
>
> I need some more skilled in kbuild to help craft the more generic rule so=
we
> can have the dts files anywhere in the arch/<*>/ directory structure and =
be
> able to find the correct dts files.
>
> --Dirk
>
--=20
Grant Likely, B.Sc., P.Eng.
Secret Lab Technologies Ltd.
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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] of: Add support for linking device tree blobs into vmlinux
2010-11-16 5:17 ` [PATCH 1/2] of: Add support for linking device tree blobs into vmlinux Grant Likely
@ 2010-11-16 5:28 ` Dirk Brandewie
2010-11-16 6:10 ` Grant Likely
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Dirk Brandewie @ 2010-11-16 5:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Grant Likely; +Cc: sodaville, devicetree-discuss, arjan, linuxppc-dev
On 11/15/2010 09:17 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Dirk Brandewie
> <dirk.brandewie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/15/2010 08:41 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 08:01:20PM -0800, dirk.brandewie@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Dirk Brandewie<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> This patch adds support for linking device tree blobs into
>>>> vmlinux. The device tree blobs are placed in the init.data
>>>> section.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Dirk Brandewie<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com>
>>>> ---
>>>> include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h | 19 +++++++++++++++++--
>>>> scripts/Makefile.lib | 17 +++++++++++++++++
>>>> 2 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>> b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>> index bd69d79..ea671e7 100644
>>>> --- a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>> +++ b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>> @@ -67,7 +67,14 @@
>>>> * Align to a 32 byte boundary equal to the
>>>> * alignment gcc 4.5 uses for a struct
>>>> */
>>>> -#define STRUCT_ALIGN() . = ALIGN(32)
>>>> +#define STRUCT_ALIGNMENT 32
>>>> +#define STRUCT_ALIGN() . = ALIGN(STRUCT_ALIGNMENT)
>>>> +
>>>> +/* Device tree blobs linked into the kernel need to have proper
>>>> + * structure alignment to be parsed by the flat device tree library
>>>> + * used in early boot
>>>> +*/
>>>> +#define DTB_ALIGNMENT STRUCT_ALIGNMENT
>>>>
>>>> /* The actual configuration determine if the init/exit sections
>>>> * are handled as text/data or they can be discarded (which
>>>> @@ -146,6 +153,13 @@
>>>> #define TRACE_SYSCALLS()
>>>> #endif
>>>>
>>>> +
>>>> +#define KERNEL_DTB() \
>>>> + . = ALIGN(DTB_ALIGNMENT); \
>>>> + VMLINUX_SYMBOL(__dtb_start) = .; \
>>>> + *(.dtb.init.rodata) \
>>>> + VMLINUX_SYMBOL(__dtb_end) = .;
>>>> +
>>>> /* .data section */
>>>> #define DATA_DATA \
>>>> *(.data) \
>>>> @@ -468,7 +482,8 @@
>>>> MCOUNT_REC() \
>>>> DEV_DISCARD(init.rodata) \
>>>> CPU_DISCARD(init.rodata) \
>>>> - MEM_DISCARD(init.rodata)
>>>> + MEM_DISCARD(init.rodata) \
>>>> + KERNEL_DTB()
>>>>
>>>> #define INIT_TEXT \
>>>> *(.init.text) \
>>>> diff --git a/scripts/Makefile.lib b/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>>> index 4c72c11..a8a4774 100644
>>>> --- a/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>>> +++ b/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>>> @@ -200,6 +200,23 @@ quiet_cmd_gzip = GZIP $@
>>>> cmd_gzip = (cat $(filter-out FORCE,$^) | gzip -f -9> $@) || \
>>>> (rm -f $@ ; false)
>>>>
>>>> +# DTC
>>>> +#
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> +$(obj)/%.dtb.S: $(obj)/%.dtb FORCE
>>>> + @echo '#include<asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h>'> $@
>>>> + @echo '.section .dtb.init.rodata,"a"'>> $@
>>>> + @echo '.balign DTB_ALIGNMENT'>> $@
>>>> + @echo '.global __dtb_$(*F)_begin'>> $@
>>>> + @echo '__dtb_$(*F)_begin:'>> $@
>>>> + @echo '.incbin "$<" '>> $@
>>>> + @echo '__dtb_$(*F)_end:'>> $@
>>>> + @echo '.global __dtb_$(*F)_end'>> $@
>>>> + @echo '.balign DTB_ALIGNMENT'>> $@
>>>> +
>>>> +DTC = $(objtree)/scripts/dtc/dtc
>>>> +
>>>> +quiet_cmd_dtc = DTC $@
>>>> + cmd_dtc = $(DTC) -O dtb -o $(obj)/$*.dtb -b 0 $(src)/$*.dts
>>>
>>> Missing the %.dtb: %.dts rule, but otherwise looks okay. You will
>>> need to make sure this doesn't break powerpc or microblaze when the
>>> dts->dtb rule is added.
>>>
>> I have the rule
>> $(obj)/%.dtb: $(src)/%.dts
>> $(call if_changed,dtc)
>> in the arch/x86/kernel/Makefile to prevent this sneaking into other other
>> architectures.
>
> This rule looks correct. PowerPC and Microblaze need to be modified
> to use it. It should not be hard to do, give it a try. Worst case,
> your first attempt is wrong and the rest of us fix it up. :-)
>
> Hint: PowerPC currently puts the .dtb file in a different directory
> from the source .dts file. It doesn't need to do it that way.
> arch/powerpc/boot/Makefile will need to be modified.
>
I will give it a shot. The only real difference except for the directory
structures is powerpc and microblaze add padding to the dtb with the -p 1024
command line argument to dtc. Is the padding needed when the blob are linked
into vmlinux proper?
--Dirk
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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] of: Add support for linking device tree blobs into vmlinux
2010-11-16 5:28 ` Dirk Brandewie
@ 2010-11-16 6:10 ` Grant Likely
0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Grant Likely @ 2010-11-16 6:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dirk Brandewie; +Cc: sodaville, devicetree-discuss, arjan, linuxppc-dev
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Dirk Brandewie
<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/15/2010 09:17 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Dirk Brandewie
>> <dirk.brandewie@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/15/2010 08:41 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 08:01:20PM -0800, dirk.brandewie@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Dirk Brandewie<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> This patch adds support for linking device tree blobs into
>>>>> vmlinux. The device tree blobs are placed in the init.data
>>>>> section.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Dirk Brandewie<dirk.brandewie@gmail.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> =A0include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h | =A0 19 +++++++++++++++++--
>>>>> =A0scripts/Makefile.lib =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 17 +++++++++=
++++++++
>>>>> =A02 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>>> b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>>> index bd69d79..ea671e7 100644
>>>>> --- a/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>>> +++ b/include/asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h
>>>>> @@ -67,7 +67,14 @@
>>>>> =A0 * Align to a 32 byte boundary equal to the
>>>>> =A0 * alignment gcc 4.5 uses for a struct
>>>>> =A0 */
>>>>> -#define STRUCT_ALIGN() . =3D ALIGN(32)
>>>>> +#define STRUCT_ALIGNMENT 32
>>>>> +#define STRUCT_ALIGN() . =3D ALIGN(STRUCT_ALIGNMENT)
>>>>> +
>>>>> +/* Device tree blobs linked into the kernel need to have proper
>>>>> + * structure alignment to be parsed by the flat device tree library
>>>>> + * used in early boot
>>>>> +*/
>>>>> +#define DTB_ALIGNMENT STRUCT_ALIGNMENT
>>>>>
>>>>> =A0/* The actual configuration determine if the init/exit sections
>>>>> =A0 * are handled as text/data or they can be discarded (which
>>>>> @@ -146,6 +153,13 @@
>>>>> =A0#define TRACE_SYSCALLS()
>>>>> =A0#endif
>>>>>
>>>>> +
>>>>> +#define KERNEL_DTB()
>>>>> \
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 . =3D ALIGN(DTB_ALIGNMENT);
>>>>> \
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 VMLINUX_SYMBOL(__dtb_start) =3D .;
>>>>> =A0\
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 *(.dtb.init.rodata)
>>>>> \
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 VMLINUX_SYMBOL(__dtb_end) =3D .;
>>>>> +
>>>>> =A0/* .data section */
>>>>> =A0#define DATA_DATA
>>>>> \
>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*(.data)
>>>>> =A0\
>>>>> @@ -468,7 +482,8 @@
>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0MCOUNT_REC()
>>>>> =A0\
>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0DEV_DISCARD(init.rodata)
>>>>> =A0\
>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0CPU_DISCARD(init.rodata)
>>>>> =A0\
>>>>> - =A0 =A0 =A0 MEM_DISCARD(init.rodata)
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 MEM_DISCARD(init.rodata)
>>>>> =A0\
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 KERNEL_DTB()
>>>>>
>>>>> =A0#define INIT_TEXT
>>>>> \
>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*(.init.text)
>>>>> \
>>>>> diff --git a/scripts/Makefile.lib b/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>>>> index 4c72c11..a8a4774 100644
>>>>> --- a/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>>>> +++ b/scripts/Makefile.lib
>>>>> @@ -200,6 +200,23 @@ quiet_cmd_gzip =3D GZIP =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> =A0cmd_gzip =3D (cat $(filter-out FORCE,$^) | gzip -f -9> =A0 =A0$@) =
|| \
>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(rm -f $@ ; false)
>>>>>
>>>>> +# DTC
>>>>> +#
>>>>>
>>>>> =A0------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------
>>>>> +$(obj)/%.dtb.S: $(obj)/%.dtb FORCE
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '#include<asm-generic/vmlinux.lds.h>'> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.section .dtb.init.rodata,"a"'>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.balign DTB_ALIGNMENT'>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.global __dtb_$(*F)_begin'>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '__dtb_$(*F)_begin:'>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.incbin "$<" '>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '__dtb_$(*F)_end:'>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.global __dtb_$(*F)_end'>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0 @echo '.balign DTB_ALIGNMENT'>> =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> +
>>>>> +DTC =3D $(objtree)/scripts/dtc/dtc
>>>>> +
>>>>> +quiet_cmd_dtc =3D DTC =A0 =A0$@
>>>>> + =A0 =A0 =A0cmd_dtc =3D $(DTC) -O dtb -o $(obj)/$*.dtb -b 0 =A0$(src=
)/$*.dts
>>>>
>>>> Missing the %.dtb: %.dts rule, but otherwise looks okay. =A0You will
>>>> need to make sure this doesn't break powerpc or microblaze when the
>>>> dts->dtb rule is added.
>>>>
>>> I have the rule
>>> =A0$(obj)/%.dtb: $(src)/%.dts
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0$(call if_changed,dtc)
>>> in the arch/x86/kernel/Makefile to prevent this sneaking into other oth=
er
>>> architectures.
>>
>> This rule looks correct. =A0PowerPC and Microblaze need to be modified
>> to use it. =A0It should not be hard to do, give it a try. =A0Worst case,
>> your first attempt is wrong and the rest of us fix it up. =A0:-)
>>
>> Hint: PowerPC currently puts the .dtb file in a different directory
>> from the source .dts file. =A0It doesn't need to do it that way.
>> arch/powerpc/boot/Makefile will need to be modified.
>>
>
> I will give it a shot. =A0The only real difference except for the directo=
ry
> structures is powerpc and microblaze add padding to the dtb with the -p 1=
024
> command line argument to dtc.
You could use a $(DTCFLAGS) variable to pass in arch specific flags.
> =A0Is the padding needed when the blob are
> linked into vmlinux proper?
Maybe, maybe not. Padding is required to be able to modify the .dtb
data in-place, which is important when adapting data from other
sources into the device tree structure. However, when it is linked
into the kernel, the adding of additional data /possibly/ can be
deferred until after the tree is either copied or unflattened.
g.
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