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From: Shan Hai <haishan.bai@gmail.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: tony.luck@intel.com, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cmetcalf@tilera.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, paulus@samba.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	walken@google.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:40:32 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E230270.20209@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1310914117.25044.216.camel@pasglop>

On 07/17/2011 10:48 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 21:33 +0800, Shan Hai wrote:
>> On ARM you could not protect pages from supervisor-mode writes,
>> isn't it?  That means, all writable user pages are writable for
>> supervisor too, but its not hold for at least x86 and powerpc,
>> x86 and powerpc can be configured to protect pages from
>> supervisor-mode writes.
> That doesn't sound right... how would put_user() work properly then ? A
> cursory glance at the ARM code doesn't show it doing anything "special",
> just stores ... but I might have missing something.
>

That's real for ARM, for the reason put_user() work properly is that
the first time access to the write protected page triggers a page
fault, and the handle_mm_fault() will fix up the write permission
for the kernel, because at this time no one disabled the page fault
as done in the futex case.

>> Think about the following situation,
>> a page fault occurs on the kernel trying to write to a writable shared
>> user page which is read only to the kernel, the following conditions
>> hold,
>> - the page is *present*, because its a shared page
>> - the page is *writable*, because demand paging sets up the pte for
>>       the current process to so
>>
>> The follow_page() called in the __get_user_page() returns non NULL
>> to its caller on the above mentioned *present* and *writable* page,
>> so the gup(.write=1) has no chance to set pte dirty by calling
>> handle_mm_fault,
>> the follow_page() has no knowledge of supervisor-mode write protected
>> pages,
>> that's the culprit in the bug discussed here.
> Right, the problem is with writable pages that have "lost" (or never had
> but usually it's lost, due to swapping for example) their dirty bit, or
> any page that has lost young.
>
>  From what I can tell, we need to either fix those bits from the caller
> of gup (futex code), which sound nasty, or more easily fix those from
> gup itself, possibly under control of flags in the "write" argument to
> avoid breaking code relying on the existing behaviour, expecially vs.
> dirty.
>

So, for the reason the SW tracked dirty/young and supervisor protected
pages has potential effects on not only *futex* but also on other components
of the kernel which might access the non-dirty supervisor protected page,
in my opinion it might be more sensible to fix it from gup instead of fixing
it in the futex.

Thanks
Shan Hai

> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-17 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-15  8:07 [PATCH 0/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core Shan Hai
2011-07-15  8:07 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:18     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 15:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-16 15:36         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 14:50     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16 23:49       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17  9:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 14:29           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 23:14             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  3:53               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:02                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  4:01               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  6:48                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:01                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:26                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-18  7:36                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-18  7:50                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  3:30                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  4:20                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:29                           ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW tracking of dirty & young Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  4:55                             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:17                             ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  5:24                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  5:38                                 ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  7:46                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:24                                     ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19  8:26                                       ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW trackingof " David Laight
2011-07-19  8:45                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-19  8:45                                         ` Shan Hai
2011-07-19 11:10                             ` [RFC/PATCH] mm/futex: Fix futex writes on archs with SW tracking of " Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 14:39                             ` Darren Hart
2011-07-21 22:36                             ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-21 22:52                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:57                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-21 22:59                                 ` Andrew Morton
2011-07-22  1:40                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-22  1:54                                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-27  6:50                             ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-27  7:58                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-27  8:59                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:09                                 ` David Howells
2011-07-27 10:17                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-27 10:20                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-28  0:12                                       ` Mike Frysinger
2011-08-08  2:31                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2011-07-28 10:55                                   ` David Howells
2011-07-17 11:02         ` [PATCH 1/1] Fixup write permission of TLB on powerpc e500 core Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-17 13:33           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-17 14:48             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 15:40               ` Shan Hai [this message]
2011-07-17 22:34                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-17 14:34           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  8:20 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  8:38   ` MailingLists
2011-07-15  8:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15  9:08       ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15  9:12         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 10:06           ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 10:32             ` David Laight
2011-07-15 10:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-15 15:32               ` Shan Hai
2011-07-16  0:20                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-16 15:03                   ` Shan Hai
2011-07-15 23:47               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-15  9:05   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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