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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Geoff Levand <geoff@infradead.org>,
	Alistair Popple <alistair@popple.id.au>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	Anatolij Gustschin <agust@denx.de>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/20] powerpc: Convert power off logic to pm_power_off
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 23:25:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <542C714C.4020009@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141001155434.GA11039@roeck-us.net>



On 01.10.14 17:54, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 04:47:23PM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01.10.14 16:33, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de> wrote:
>>>> The generic Linux framework to power off the machine is a function pointer
>>>> called pm_power_off. The trick about this pointer is that device drivers can
>>>> potentially implement it rather than board files.
>>>>
>>>> Today on PowerPC we set pm_power_off to invoke our generic full machine power
>>>> off logic which then calls ppc_md.power_off to invoke machine specific power
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> However, when we want to add a power off GPIO via the "gpio-poweroff" driver,
>>>> this card house falls apart. That driver only registers itself if pm_power_off
>>>> is NULL to ensure it doesn't override board specific logic. However, since we
>>>> always set pm_power_off to the generic power off logic (which will just not
>>>> power off the machine if no ppc_md.power_off call is implemented), we can't
>>>> implement power off via the generic GPIO power off driver.
>>>>
>>>> To fix this up, let's get rid of the ppc_md.power_off logic and just always use
>>>> pm_power_off as was intended. Then individual drivers such as the GPIO power off
>>>> driver can implement power off logic via that function pointer.
>>>>
>>>> With this patch set applied and a few patches on top of QEMU that implement a
>>>> power off GPIO on the virt e500 machine, I can successfully turn off my virtual
>>>> machine after halt.
>>>
>>> This is touching the same area as last night's
>>> "[RFC PATCH 00/16] kernel: Add support for poweroff handler call chain"
>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/9/30/575
>>
>> I agree, and I think your patch set is walking into a reasonable
>> direction. However, I really think it should convert all users of
>> pm_power_off - at which point you'll probably get to the same conclusion
>> that ppc_md.power_off is a bad idea :).
>>
> Yes, that would be the ultimate goal.
> 
>> So in a way, this patch set is semantically a prerequisite to the full
>> conversion you'd probably like to do :).
>>
>> Also, in your cover letter you describe that some methods power off the
>> CPU power while others power off the system power. How do you
>> distinguish between them with a call chain? You probably won't get
>> around to trigger the system power off callback after the CPU power off
>> callback ran ;).
>>
> Those are examples. Don't get hung up on it. I may actually replace the
> CPU example with something better in the next version; it is not really
> a good example and may get people stuck on "why on earth would anyone want
> or need a means to turn off the CPU power" instead of focusing on the problem
> the patch set tries to solve.
> 
> The basic problem is that there can be different poweroff handlers,
> some of which may not be available on some systems, and some may not
> be as desirable as others for various reasons. The code registering
> those poweroff handlers does not specify the poweroff method, but its 
> priority. It would be up to the programmer (hopefully together with
> the board designer) to determine which method should have higher priority.
> Taking the above example, the callback to turn off CPU power would presumably
> be one of last resort, and have a very low priority.
> 
> A better example may actually be patch 15/16 of the series. The affected
> driver (drivers/power/reset/restart-poweroff.c) does not really power off
> the system, but restarts it instead. Obviously that would only be a poweroff
> handler of last resort, which should only be executed if no other means
> to power off the system is available.

Sounds like a good plan :). You probably want to have some global list
of priority numbers like "try this first" or "this is a non-optimal, but
working method" and "only ever do this as last resort".

Maybe you could as a first step convert every user of pm_power_off to
this new framework with a global notifier_block, similar to how
pm_power_off is a global today? Then we can at least get rid of
pm_power_off altogether and move to only notifiers, whereas new
notifiers can come before or after the old machine set implementations.

As a nice bonus this automatically converts every user of pm_power_off()
to instead call the notifier chain.


Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-01 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-01 13:27 [PATCH 00/20] powerpc: Convert power off logic to pm_power_off Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 01/20] powerpc: Support override of pm_power_off Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 02/20] powerpc/xmon: Support either ppc_md.power_off or pm_power_off Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 03/20] powerpc/47x: Use pm_power_off rather than ppc_md.power_off Alexander Graf
2014-10-05  0:39   ` Segher Boessenkool
2014-10-06 10:02     ` Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 04/20] powerpc/52xx/efika: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 05/20] powerpc/mpc8349emitx: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 06/20] powerpc/corenet: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 07/20] powerpc/85xx/sgy_cts1000: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 08/20] powerpc/celleb: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 09/20] powerpc/cell/qpace: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 10/20] powerpc/cell: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 11/20] powerpc/chrp: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 12/20] powerpc/6xx/gamecube: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:27 ` [PATCH 13/20] powerpc/6xx/linkstation: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 14/20] powerpc/6xx/wii: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 15/20] powerpc/maple: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 16/20] powerpc/powermac: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 17/20] powerpc/powernv: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 18/20] powerpc/ps3: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 19/20] powerpc/pseries: " Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 20/20] powerpc: Remove ppc_md.power_off Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 14:33 ` [PATCH 00/20] powerpc: Convert power off logic to pm_power_off Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-01 14:47   ` Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 14:57     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-01 15:54     ` Guenter Roeck
2014-10-01 21:25       ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2014-10-02  2:36         ` Guenter Roeck
2014-10-01 22:39 ` Scott Wood
2014-10-01 23:21   ` Alexander Graf
2014-10-01 23:28     ` Scott Wood
2014-10-01 23:44       ` Alexander Graf
2014-10-02  2:51         ` Guenter Roeck
2014-10-03  4:42 ` Michael Ellerman
2014-10-06 10:00   ` Alexander Graf
2014-10-07  6:25     ` Michael Ellerman
2014-10-07 11:35       ` Alexander Graf
2014-10-07 17:00         ` Guenter Roeck
2014-10-07 17:47           ` Alexander Graf
2014-10-07 19:03             ` Guenter Roeck

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