From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/13] mm: introduce generic lazy_mmu helpers
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 21:52:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <73b274b7-f419-4e2e-8620-d557bac30dc2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251015082727.2395128-7-kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
On 15.10.25 10:27, Kevin Brodsky wrote:
> The implementation of the lazy MMU mode is currently entirely
> arch-specific; core code directly calls arch helpers:
> arch_{enter,leave}_lazy_mmu_mode().
>
> We are about to introduce support for nested lazy MMU sections.
> As things stand we'd have to duplicate that logic in every arch
> implementing lazy_mmu - adding to a fair amount of logic
> already duplicated across lazy_mmu implementations.
>
> This patch therefore introduces a new generic layer that calls the
> existing arch_* helpers. Two pair of calls are introduced:
>
> * lazy_mmu_mode_enable() ... lazy_mmu_mode_disable()
> This is the standard case where the mode is enabled for a given
> block of code by surrounding it with enable() and disable()
> calls.
>
> * lazy_mmu_mode_pause() ... lazy_mmu_mode_resume()
> This is for situations where the mode is temporarily disabled
> by first calling pause() and then resume() (e.g. to prevent any
> batching from occurring in a critical section).
>
> The documentation in <linux/pgtable.h> will be updated in a
> subsequent patch.
>
> No functional change should be introduced at this stage.
> The implementation of enable()/resume() and disable()/pause() is
> currently identical, but nesting support will change that.
>
> Most of the call sites have been updated using the following
> Coccinelle script:
>
> @@
> @@
> {
> ...
> - arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
> + lazy_mmu_mode_enable();
> ...
> - arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode();
> + lazy_mmu_mode_disable();
> ...
> }
>
> @@
> @@
> {
> ...
> - arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode();
> + lazy_mmu_mode_pause();
> ...
> - arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode();
> + lazy_mmu_mode_resume();
> ...
> }
>
> A couple of cases are noteworthy:
>
> * madvise_*_pte_range() call arch_leave() in multiple paths, some
> followed by an immediate exit/rescheduling and some followed by a
> conditional exit. These functions assume that they are called
> with lazy MMU disabled and we cannot simply use pause()/resume()
> to address that. This patch leaves the situation unchanged by
> calling enable()/disable() in all cases.
I'm confused, the function simply does
(a) enables lazy mmu
(b) does something on the page table
(c) disables lazy mmu
(d) does something expensive (split folio -> take sleepable locks,
flushes tlb)
(e) go to (a)
Why would we use enable/disable instead?
>
> * x86/Xen is currently the only case where explicit handling is
> required for lazy MMU when context-switching. This is purely an
> implementation detail and using the generic lazy_mmu_mode_*
> functions would cause trouble when nesting support is introduced,
> because the generic functions must be called from the current task.
> For that reason we still use arch_leave() and arch_enter() there.
How does this interact with patch #11?
>
> Note: x86 calls arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() unconditionally in a few
> places, but only defines it if PARAVIRT_XXL is selected, and we are
> removing the fallback in <linux/pgtable.h>. Add a new fallback
> definition to <asm/pgtable.h> to keep things building.
I can see a call in __kernel_map_pages() and
arch_kmap_local_post_map()/arch_kmap_local_post_unmap().
I guess that is ... harmless/irrelevant in the context of this series?
[...]
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-23 19:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-15 8:27 [PATCH v3 00/13] Nesting support for lazy MMU mode Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] powerpc/64s: Do not re-activate batched TLB flush Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] x86/xen: simplify flush_lazy_mmu() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 16:52 ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-16 7:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] powerpc/mm: implement arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:36 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:09 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 14:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:54 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] mm: introduce CONFIG_ARCH_LAZY_MMU Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-18 9:52 ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-20 10:37 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] mm: introduce generic lazy_mmu helpers Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-17 15:54 ` Alexander Gordeev
2025-10-20 10:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 19:52 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-24 12:13 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 13:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-27 16:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-28 10:34 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] mm: enable lazy_mmu sections to nest Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 13:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:33 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] arm64: mm: replace TIF_LAZY_MMU with in_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] powerpc/mm: replace batch->active " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:16 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] sparc/mm: " Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] x86/xen: use lazy_mmu_state when context-switching Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 14:47 ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-24 14:51 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:13 ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-24 15:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:38 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-10-24 15:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 15:51 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-10-27 12:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 22:52 ` Demi Marie Obenour
2025-10-27 12:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27 13:32 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 15:05 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-24 15:17 ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-27 13:38 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] mm: bail out of lazy_mmu_mode_* in interrupt context Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:17 ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-15 8:27 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] mm: introduce arch_wants_lazy_mmu_mode() Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-23 20:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24 12:17 ` Kevin Brodsky
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