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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Josh Poimboeuf' <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 2/6] x86/uaccess: Avoid barrier_nospec() in 64-bit __get_user()
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:12:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <76bb85ceeb854e3ab68d87f846515306@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241029032735.pw3bg64bpneqnfhk@treble.attlocal.net>

From: Josh Poimboeuf
> Sent: 29 October 2024 03:28
> 
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 06:56:15PM -0700, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > The barrier_nospec() in 64-bit __get_user() is slow.  Instead use
> > pointer masking to force the user pointer to all 1's if a previous
> > access_ok() mispredicted true for an invalid address.
> 
> Linus pointed out that __get_user() may be used by some code to access
> both kernel and user space and in fact I found one such usage in
> vc_read_mem()....
> 
> So I self-NAK this patch for now.
> 
> Still, it would be great if patch 1 could get merged as that gives a
> significant performance boost.

I'm a bit late to the party and still a week behind :-(

But I've wondered if access_ok() ought to be implemented using an
'asm goto with output' - much like get_user().

Then the use would be:
	masked_address = access_ok(maybe_bad_address, size, jump_label);
with later user accesses using the masked_address.

Once you've done that __get_user() doesn't need to contain address masking.

Given that clac/stac iare so slow should there are be something that
combines stac with access_ok() bracketed with a 'user_access_end'
or an actual fault.

I've sure there is code (maybe reading iovec[] or in sys_poll())
that wants to do multiple get/put_user in a short loop rather that
calling copy_to/from_user().

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-08 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-29  1:56 [PATCH v3 0/6] x86/uaccess: avoid barrier_nospec() Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-29  1:56 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] x86/uaccess: Avoid barrier_nospec() in 64-bit copy_from_user() Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-29  8:13   ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2024-10-30  2:03   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-30  4:59     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-29  1:56 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] x86/uaccess: Avoid barrier_nospec() in 64-bit __get_user() Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-29  3:27   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-11-08 17:12     ` David Laight [this message]
2024-11-15 23:06       ` 'Josh Poimboeuf'
2024-11-16  1:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-16 21:38           ` David Laight
2024-11-16 23:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-21 21:40           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-11-21 22:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-22  0:12               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-11-22  1:02                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-22  3:11                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-11-22  3:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-22  9:06                       ` Christophe Leroy
2024-11-22 18:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-22 19:13                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-22 19:35                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-24 16:11                           ` David Laight
2024-11-24 18:16                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-11-22  9:38               ` David Laight
2024-10-29  1:56 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] x86/uaccess: Avoid barrier_nospec() in 32-bit copy_from_user() Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-29  1:56 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] x86/uaccess: Convert 32-bit get_user() to unconditional pointer masking Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-29  1:56 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] x86/uaccess: Avoid barrier_nospec() in 32-bit __get_user() Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-29  1:56 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] x86/uaccess: Converge [__]get_user() implementations Josh Poimboeuf

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