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From: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
To: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>,
	"Nathan Lynch" <nathanl@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: tyreld@linux.ibm.com, gcwilson@linux.ibm.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/2] powerpc/pseries: papr-vpd char driver for VPD retrieval
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2023 12:42:11 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877cp5ibng.fsf@mail.lhotse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230904072037.GN8826@kitsune.suse.cz>

Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 12:59:25PM -0500, Nathan Lynch wrote:
...
>> You (Michal) seem to favor a kernel-user ABI where user space is allowed
>> to invoke arbitrary RTAS functions by name. But we already have that in
>> the form of the rtas() syscall. (User space looks up function tokens by
>> name in the DT.) The point of the series is that we need to move away
>> from that. It's too low-level and user space has to use /dev/mem when
>> invoking any of the less-simple RTAS functions.
>
> We don't have that, directly accessing /dev/mem does not really work.
> And that's what needs fixing in my view.
>
> The rtas calls are all mechanically the same, the function implemented
> here should be able to call any of them if there was a way to specify
> the call.
>
> Given that there is desire to have access to multiple calls I don't
> think it makes sense to allocate a separate device with different name
> for each.

I think it does make sense.

We explicitly don't want a general "call any RTAS function" API.

We want tightly scoped APIs that do one thing, or a family of related
things, but not anything & everything.

Having different devices for each of those APIs means permissions can be
granted separately on those devices. So a user/group can be given access
to the "papr-vpd" device, but not some other unrelated device that also
happens to expose an RTAS service (eg. error injection).

cheers

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-05  2:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-22 21:33 [PATCH RFC 0/2] powerpc/pseries: new character devices for RTAS functions Nathan Lynch via B4 Relay
2023-08-22 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] powerpc/pseries: papr-vpd char driver for VPD retrieval Nathan Lynch via B4 Relay
2023-08-30  7:29   ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31  5:34     ` Michael Ellerman
2023-08-31 10:38       ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 11:37         ` Michael Ellerman
2023-08-31 11:44           ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 17:59             ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-04  7:20               ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-05  2:42                 ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2023-09-05  8:24                   ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 11:35       ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-04  7:48       ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 15:52     ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-06  9:19   ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-22 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] powerpc/selftests: add test for papr-vpd Nathan Lynch via B4 Relay
2023-08-24  6:20   ` Russell Currey
2023-08-24 11:51     ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-06  9:30 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] powerpc/pseries: new character devices for RTAS functions Michal Suchánek
2023-09-06 12:08 ` [PATCH RFC] powerpc/rtas: Make it possible to disable sys_rtas Michal Suchanek
2023-09-06 19:34   ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-07 16:01     ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-07 16:52       ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-07 17:19         ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-08 17:48           ` Nathan Lynch

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