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From: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
To: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
Cc: nathanl@linux.ibm.com, tyreld@linux.ibm.com,
	gcwilson@linux.ibm.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/2] powerpc/pseries: papr-vpd char driver for VPD retrieval
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 21:37:12 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0nj1lzr.fsf@mail.lhotse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230831103811.GF8826@kitsune.suse.cz>

Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> writes:
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 03:34:37PM +1000, Michael Ellerman wrote:
>> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> writes:
>> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 04:33:39PM -0500, Nathan Lynch via B4 Relay wrote:
>> >> From: Nathan Lynch <nathanl@linux.ibm.com>
>> >> 
>> >> PowerVM LPARs may retrieve Vital Product Data (VPD) for system
>> >> components using the ibm,get-vpd RTAS function.
>> >> 
>> >> We can expose this to user space with a /dev/papr-vpd character
>> >> device, where the programming model is:
>> >> 
>> >>   struct papr_location_code plc = { .str = "", }; /* obtain all VPD */
>> >>   int devfd = open("/dev/papr-vpd", O_WRONLY);
>> >>   int vpdfd = ioctl(devfd, PAPR_VPD_CREATE_HANDLE, &plc);
>> >>   size_t size = lseek(vpdfd, 0, SEEK_END);
>> >>   char *buf = malloc(size);
>> >>   pread(devfd, buf, size, 0);
>> >> 
>> >> When a file descriptor is obtained from ioctl(PAPR_VPD_CREATE_HANDLE),
>> >> the file contains the result of a complete ibm,get-vpd sequence. The
>> >
>> > Could this be somewhat less obfuscated?
>> >
>> > What the caller wants is the result of "ibm,get-vpd", which is a
>> > well-known string identifier of the rtas call.
>> 
>> Not really. What the caller wants is *the VPD*. Currently that's done
>> by calling the RTAS "ibm,get-vpd" function, but that could change in
>> future. There's RTAS calls that have been replaced with a "version 2" in
>> the past, that could happen here too. Or the RTAS call could be replaced
>> by a hypercall (though unlikely).
>> 
>> But hopefully if the underlying mechanism changed the kernel would be
>> able to hide that detail behind this new API, and users would not need
>> to change at all.
>> 
>> > Yet this identifier is never passed in. Instead we have this new
>> > PAPR_VPD_CREATE_HANDLE. This is a completely new identifier, specific to
>> > this call only as is the /dev/papr-vpd device name, another new
>> > identifier.
>> >
>> > Maybe the interface could provide a way to specify the service name?
>> >
>> >> file contents are immutable from the POV of user space. To get a new
>> >> view of VPD, clients must create a new handle.
>> >
>> > Which is basically the same as creating a file descriptor with open().
>> 
>> Sort of. But much cleaner becuase you don't need to create a file in the
>> filesystem and tell userspace how to find it.
>
> You very much do. There is the /dev/papr-vpd and PAPR_VPD_CREATE_HANDLE
> which userspace has to know about, the PAPR_VPD_CREATE_HANDLE is not
> even possible to find at all.

Well yeah you need the device itself :)

And yes the ioctl is defined in a header, not in the filesystem, but
that's entirely normal for an ioctl based API.

cheers

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-31 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-22 21:33 [PATCH RFC 0/2] powerpc/pseries: new character devices for RTAS functions Nathan Lynch via B4 Relay
2023-08-22 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] powerpc/pseries: papr-vpd char driver for VPD retrieval Nathan Lynch via B4 Relay
2023-08-30  7:29   ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31  5:34     ` Michael Ellerman
2023-08-31 10:38       ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 11:37         ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2023-08-31 11:44           ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 17:59             ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-04  7:20               ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-05  2:42                 ` Michael Ellerman
2023-09-05  8:24                   ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 11:35       ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-04  7:48       ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-31 15:52     ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-06  9:19   ` Michal Suchánek
2023-08-22 21:33 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] powerpc/selftests: add test for papr-vpd Nathan Lynch via B4 Relay
2023-08-24  6:20   ` Russell Currey
2023-08-24 11:51     ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-06  9:30 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] powerpc/pseries: new character devices for RTAS functions Michal Suchánek
2023-09-06 12:08 ` [PATCH RFC] powerpc/rtas: Make it possible to disable sys_rtas Michal Suchanek
2023-09-06 19:34   ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-07 16:01     ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-07 16:52       ` Nathan Lynch
2023-09-07 17:19         ` Michal Suchánek
2023-09-08 17:48           ` Nathan Lynch

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