* Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
@ 2024-05-28 20:00 Christian Zigotzky
2024-05-28 20:07 ` Christian Zigotzky
2024-05-29 18:31 ` Christian Zigotzky
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Christian Zigotzky @ 2024-05-28 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linuxppc-dev, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson
Hi All,
Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines.
Thanks,
Christian
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* Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-28 20:00 Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10 Christian Zigotzky
@ 2024-05-28 20:07 ` Christian Zigotzky
2024-05-29 18:31 ` Christian Zigotzky
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Christian Zigotzky @ 2024-05-28 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linuxppc-dev, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson
On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
>
> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
>
> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
>
> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
>
> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
>
> Thanks,
> Christian
Another issue:
https://www.skateman.nl/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Kernel6.10-RC1.jpg
-- Christian
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-28 20:00 Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10 Christian Zigotzky
2024-05-28 20:07 ` Christian Zigotzky
@ 2024-05-29 18:31 ` Christian Zigotzky
2024-05-30 12:51 ` Michael Ellerman
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Christian Zigotzky @ 2024-05-29 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linuxppc-dev, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson
On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
>
> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
>
> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
>
> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
>
> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
>
> Thanks,
> Christian
I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
(-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
Inappropriate ioctl for device.
Please test the RC1 with Xorg on your PowerPC machine.
Thanks
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-29 18:31 ` Christian Zigotzky
@ 2024-05-30 12:51 ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-31 9:03 ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-31 12:27 ` Christian Zigotzky
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Michael Ellerman @ 2024-05-30 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christian Zigotzky, linuxppc-dev, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson,
Linux kernel regressions list
Christian Zigotzky <chzigotzky@xenosoft.de> writes:
> On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
>> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
>>
>> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
>>
>> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
>>
>> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
>>
>> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christian
> I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
> (-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
>
> Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
> Inappropriate ioctl for device.
That is presumably because of this:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
cheers
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-30 12:51 ` Michael Ellerman
@ 2024-05-31 9:03 ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-31 9:19 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2024-05-31 12:27 ` Christian Zigotzky
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Michael Ellerman @ 2024-05-31 9:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christian Zigotzky, linuxppc-dev, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson,
Linux kernel regressions list
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au> writes:
> Christian Zigotzky <chzigotzky@xenosoft.de> writes:
>> On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
>>> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
>>>
>>> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
>>>
>>> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
>>>
>>> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
>>>
>>> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christian
>> I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
>> (-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
>>
>> Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
>> Inappropriate ioctl for device.
>
> That is presumably because of this:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
Attempting to regzbot this.
#regzbot introduced: 8c467f330059
#regzbot monitor: https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
cheers
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-31 9:03 ` Michael Ellerman
@ 2024-05-31 9:19 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2024-05-31 10:02 ` Greg KH
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten Leemhuis @ 2024-05-31 9:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Ellerman, Christian Zigotzky, linuxppc-dev, mad skateman,
R.T.Dickinson, Linux kernel regressions list, Greg KH
On 31.05.24 11:03, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au> writes:
>> Christian Zigotzky <chzigotzky@xenosoft.de> writes:
>>> On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
>>>> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
>>>>
>>>> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
>>>>
>>>> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
>>>>
>>>> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Christian
>>> I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
>>> (-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
>>>
>>> Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
>>> Inappropriate ioctl for device.
>>
>> That is presumably because of this:
>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
>
> Attempting to regzbot this.
>
> #regzbot introduced: 8c467f330059
> #regzbot monitor: https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
Thx, I already had an eye on this, but thought tracking would not be
needed, as Greg (now CCed) wanted to revert 8c467f3300591a ("VT: Use
macros to define ioctls") two days ago:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024052901-police-trash-e9f9@gregkh/
But that commit is not yet in -next afaics. :-/
/me meanwhile wonders if it would be wise to fix this before -rc2
Ciao, Thorsten
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-31 9:19 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
@ 2024-05-31 10:02 ` Greg KH
2024-05-31 10:16 ` Greg KH
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Greg KH @ 2024-05-31 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Leemhuis
Cc: Linux kernel regressions list, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson,
Christian Zigotzky, linuxppc-dev
On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:19:34AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> On 31.05.24 11:03, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> > Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au> writes:
> >> Christian Zigotzky <chzigotzky@xenosoft.de> writes:
> >>> On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
> >>>> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
> >>>>
> >>>> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
> >>>>
> >>>> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Christian
> >>> I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
> >>> (-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
> >>>
> >>> Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
> >>> Inappropriate ioctl for device.
> >>
> >> That is presumably because of this:
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
> >
> > Attempting to regzbot this.
> >
> > #regzbot introduced: 8c467f330059
> > #regzbot monitor: https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
>
> Thx, I already had an eye on this, but thought tracking would not be
> needed, as Greg (now CCed) wanted to revert 8c467f3300591a ("VT: Use
> macros to define ioctls") two days ago:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024052901-police-trash-e9f9@gregkh/
>
> But that commit is not yet in -next afaics. :-/
>
> /me meanwhile wonders if it would be wise to fix this before -rc2
I do, sorry, been traveling this week with geen vrije tijd. Will get to
it tomorrow.
greg k-h
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-31 10:02 ` Greg KH
@ 2024-05-31 10:16 ` Greg KH
2024-06-01 6:34 ` Greg KH
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Greg KH @ 2024-05-31 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Leemhuis
Cc: Linux kernel regressions list, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson,
Christian Zigotzky, linuxppc-dev
On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 12:02:15PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:19:34AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > On 31.05.24 11:03, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> > > Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au> writes:
> > >> Christian Zigotzky <chzigotzky@xenosoft.de> writes:
> > >>> On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
> > >>>> Hi All,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
> > >>>> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Christian
> > >>> I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
> > >>> (-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
> > >>>
> > >>> Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
> > >>> Inappropriate ioctl for device.
> > >>
> > >> That is presumably because of this:
> > >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
> > >
> > > Attempting to regzbot this.
> > >
> > > #regzbot introduced: 8c467f330059
> > > #regzbot monitor: https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
> >
> > Thx, I already had an eye on this, but thought tracking would not be
> > needed, as Greg (now CCed) wanted to revert 8c467f3300591a ("VT: Use
> > macros to define ioctls") two days ago:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024052901-police-trash-e9f9@gregkh/
> >
> > But that commit is not yet in -next afaics. :-/
> >
> > /me meanwhile wonders if it would be wise to fix this before -rc2
>
> I do, sorry, been traveling this week with geen vrije tijd. Will get to
> it tomorrow.
Ugh, sorry for the dutch, I have "no free time" because I am studying
the language this week. It is bleeding over here into my emails now...
greg k-h
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-30 12:51 ` Michael Ellerman
2024-05-31 9:03 ` Michael Ellerman
@ 2024-05-31 12:27 ` Christian Zigotzky
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Christian Zigotzky @ 2024-05-31 12:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Ellerman, linuxppc-dev, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson,
Linux kernel regressions list, Christian Zigotzky
On 30.05.24 14:51, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> Christian Zigotzky <chzigotzky@xenosoft.de> writes:
>> On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
>>> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
>>>
>>> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
>>>
>>> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
>>>
>>> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
>>>
>>> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christian
>> I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
>> (-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
>>
>> Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
>> Inappropriate ioctl for device.
> That is presumably because of this:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
>
> cheers
Hello Michael,
Many thanks for the hint! :-)
I was able to revert this commit and Xorg works again. We tested it with
a Radeon and a VirtIO-GPU.
@Skateman
I reduced the uImage. Please test it. Link:
https://github.com/chzigotzky/kernels/releases/tag/v6.10.0-rc1-4
Have a nice weekend,
Christian
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-05-31 10:16 ` Greg KH
@ 2024-06-01 6:34 ` Greg KH
2024-06-01 6:45 ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Greg KH @ 2024-06-01 6:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Leemhuis
Cc: Linux kernel regressions list, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson,
Christian Zigotzky, linuxppc-dev
On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 12:16:50PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 12:02:15PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:19:34AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> > > On 31.05.24 11:03, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> > > > Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au> writes:
> > > >> Christian Zigotzky <chzigotzky@xenosoft.de> writes:
> > > >>> On 28.05.24 22:00, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
> > > >>>> Hi All,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Xorg doesn't start anymore since the RC1 of kernel 6.10. We tested it
> > > >>>> with the VirtIO GPU and with some Radeon cards.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Another error message: Failed to start Setup Virtual Console.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Maybe this is the issue: + CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_KERNEL_FPU_SUPPORT=y
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Tested with FSL P5040, FSL P5020, and PASEMI boards.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Could you please test Xorg on your PowerPC machines?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> Christian
> > > >>> I tested the RC1 in a virtual e5500 QEMU PowerPC machine with Bochs VGA
> > > >>> (-device VGA,vgamem_mb=256) and Xorg doesn't start either.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Error message: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed
> > > >>> Inappropriate ioctl for device.
> > > >>
> > > >> That is presumably because of this:
> > > >> https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
> > > >
> > > > Attempting to regzbot this.
> > > >
> > > > #regzbot introduced: 8c467f330059
> > > > #regzbot monitor: https://lore.kernel.org/all/0da9785e-ba44-4718-9d08-4e96c1ba7ab2@kernel.org/
> > >
> > > Thx, I already had an eye on this, but thought tracking would not be
> > > needed, as Greg (now CCed) wanted to revert 8c467f3300591a ("VT: Use
> > > macros to define ioctls") two days ago:
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024052901-police-trash-e9f9@gregkh/
> > >
> > > But that commit is not yet in -next afaics. :-/
> > >
> > > /me meanwhile wonders if it would be wise to fix this before -rc2
> >
> > I do, sorry, been traveling this week with geen vrije tijd. Will get to
> > it tomorrow.
>
> Ugh, sorry for the dutch, I have "no free time" because I am studying
> the language this week. It is bleeding over here into my emails now...
Pull request now sent:
https://lore.kernel.org/r/Zlq8yMiUBTOisuWp@kroah.com
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* Re: Xorg doesn't start and some other issues with the RC1 of kernel 6.10
2024-06-01 6:34 ` Greg KH
@ 2024-06-01 6:45 ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis) @ 2024-06-01 6:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Greg KH
Cc: Linux kernel regressions list, mad skateman, R.T.Dickinson,
Christian Zigotzky, linuxppc-dev
On 01.06.24 08:34, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 12:16:50PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
>> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 12:02:15PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:19:34AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>>>> Thx, I already had an eye on this, but thought tracking would not be
>>>> needed, as Greg (now CCed) wanted to revert 8c467f3300591a ("VT: Use
>>>> macros to define ioctls") two days ago:
>>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/2024052901-police-trash-e9f9@gregkh/
>>>>
>>>> But that commit is not yet in -next afaics. :-/
>>>>
>>>> /me meanwhile wonders if it would be wise to fix this before -rc2
>>>
>>> I do, sorry, been traveling this week with geen vrije tijd. Will get to
>>> it tomorrow.
>>
>> Ugh, sorry for the dutch, I have "no free time" because I am studying
>> the language this week. It is bleeding over here into my emails now...
:-D
> Pull request now sent:
> https://lore.kernel.org/r/Zlq8yMiUBTOisuWp@kroah.com
Dank u wel![1, 2] And good luck with your studies! Ciao, Thorsten
[1] "Many thx!"
[2] I understand some dutch (more than enough for "geen vrije tijd"),
but do not really speak it; but it was enough to get that simple phrase
right on the first attempt.
#regzbot fix: 7bc4244c882a7d7d
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