Re: Mozilla for PPC

Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Konstantinos Margaritis]

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>On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jason Y. Sproul wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Tom Rini wrote:
>> 
>> > R5 RSN. <g>
>> 
>> Are we talking O(weeks) or O(days) here? I'm trying to budget my time
>> effectively, and it would help to have this info.
>
>O(days) == O(7*weeks) == 7 * O(weeks) == O(weeks).  Yes!  O(t).

Assuming that the O(t) function is linear. But it seldom is, it is much
more likely polynomial or even exponential so in the end

O(days) != O(weeks).

unless you take the limit so that 

lim O(days) = lim O(weeks)

Sorry, couldn't resist :-)

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Konstantinos Margaritis

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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Nathan Hurst]

On Tue, 4 May 1999, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> >O(days) == O(7*weeks) == 7 * O(weeks) == O(weeks).  Yes!  O(t).
> 
> Assuming that the O(t) function is linear. But it seldom is, it is much
> more likely polynomial or even exponential so in the end

Actually, time usually depends on whether you're having fun, O(time) = 
k/O(fun); and as it is no fun not having mozilla, O(time) -> \infty.

njh


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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Justin McKillican]

 
> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jason Y. Sproul wrote:
>> > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Tom Rini wrote:
>> >
>> > > R5 RSN. <g>
>> >
>> > Are we talking O(weeks) or O(days) here? I'm trying to budget my time
>> > effectively, and it would help to have this info.
>>
>> Just install Debian-unstable and be happy with glibc-2.1.
>
> Yeah, but then you miss out on the nifty RH6-based installer.  The last
> few "betas" and what's on linuxppc.slackers.cx has been rather stable.



I haven't seen a single crash with my install from linuxppc.slackers.cx
which i did about 2 weeks ago.


justin

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Mozilla for PPC

[Jason Y. Sproul]

Tom Vier <nester@erols.com> posted back in March about the need for someone
to hack up a PowerPC linkage function for XPCOM. Netscape's XPCOM will be
essential to Mozilla in the near future, and the functions in question are
only a few dozen lines long. I've been in touch with the module owner about
doing this, but I won't be able to work on it for at least a week or two
(possibly more). I'm also not familiar with LinuxPPC calling conventions
(although I am familiar with other ABIs, and with PPC asm).

Furthermore, it appears that a pre-R5 glibc2 system is necessary to make
Mozilla work at all, and I've yet to set that up. I've got a partition I
can use, but I have to clean it up and download and install pre-R5. And
hopefully R5 will be out soon anyway.

Does someone else want to volunteer for this? Alternatively, could anyone
point me to a good reference on the LinuxPPC ABI? Extra bonus points if you
can make Mozilla work on my R4 system... Thanks!

........................................................................
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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Kostas Gewrgiou]

On Sun, 2 May 1999, Jason Y. Sproul wrote:

> 
> Tom Vier <nester@erols.com> posted back in March about the need for someone
> to hack up a PowerPC linkage function for XPCOM. Netscape's XPCOM will be
> essential to Mozilla in the near future, and the functions in question are
> only a few dozen lines long. I've been in touch with the module owner about
> doing this, but I won't be able to work on it for at least a week or two
> (possibly more). I'm also not familiar with LinuxPPC calling conventions
> (although I am familiar with other ABIs, and with PPC asm).
> 
> Furthermore, it appears that a pre-R5 glibc2 system is necessary to make
> Mozilla work at all, and I've yet to set that up. I've got a partition I
> can use, but I have to clean it up and download and install pre-R5. And
> hopefully R5 will be out soon anyway.
> 
> Does someone else want to volunteer for this? Alternatively, could anyone
> point me to a good reference on the LinuxPPC ABI? Extra bonus points if you
> can make Mozilla work on my R4 system... Thanks!
> 
> ........................................................................
> Jason Y. Sproul                    http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~jsproul/
> jsproul@wesleyan.edu            jsproul@iced.com    http://www.iced.com/
>      Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
> 
> 

Mozilla works fine under R4, i am using the XFree libs so i am not sure
if it will work with the X libs installed with R4 (you are going to need
a newer version anyways since the default libs aren't thread safe). 
I do have an rpm of mozilla (built with no changes from the R5 srpm) if
you want it.

  Kostas Gewrgiou.




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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Alexander Derbes]

BTW,

   What is the deal with Communicator for PPCLinux?  is that what still
what is holding up the R5 release?

2nd question:  I am thinking about getting a lombard powerbook, based on
the initial data available on the chipset etc, how much kernel work will
be required to get linux running?

-alex

On Mon, 3 May 1999, Kostas Gewrgiou wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2 May 1999, Jason Y. Sproul wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Tom Vier <nester@erols.com> posted back in March about the need for someone
> > to hack up a PowerPC linkage function for XPCOM. Netscape's XPCOM will be
> > essential to Mozilla in the near future, and the functions in question are
> > only a few dozen lines long. I've been in touch with the module owner about
> > doing this, but I won't be able to work on it for at least a week or two
> > (possibly more). I'm also not familiar with LinuxPPC calling conventions
> > (although I am familiar with other ABIs, and with PPC asm).
> > 
> > Furthermore, it appears that a pre-R5 glibc2 system is necessary to make
> > Mozilla work at all, and I've yet to set that up. I've got a partition I
> > can use, but I have to clean it up and download and install pre-R5. And
> > hopefully R5 will be out soon anyway.
> > 
> > Does someone else want to volunteer for this? Alternatively, could anyone
> > point me to a good reference on the LinuxPPC ABI? Extra bonus points if you
> > can make Mozilla work on my R4 system... Thanks!
> > 
> > ........................................................................
> > Jason Y. Sproul                    http://www.con.wesleyan.edu/~jsproul/
> > jsproul@wesleyan.edu            jsproul@iced.com    http://www.iced.com/
> >      Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Mozilla works fine under R4, i am using the XFree libs so i am not sure
> if it will work with the X libs installed with R4 (you are going to need
> a newer version anyways since the default libs aren't thread safe). 
> I do have an rpm of mozilla (built with no changes from the R5 srpm) if
> you want it.
> 
>   Kostas Gewrgiou.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Tom Rini]

On Mon, 3 May 1999, Alexander Derbes wrote:

>    What is the deal with Communicator for PPCLinux?  is that what still
> what is holding up the R5 release?

R5 RSN. <g>

> 2nd question:  I am thinking about getting a lombard powerbook, based on
> the initial data available on the chipset etc, how much kernel work will
> be required to get linux running?

There's been something more then the usual rumors off MOSR?  And, if Apple
hires a Linux Tech person rather soon, the lombard's will work rather
quickly. :)

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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Jason Y. Sproul]

On Mon, 3 May 1999, Tom Rini wrote:

> R5 RSN. <g>

Are we talking O(weeks) or O(days) here? I'm trying to budget my time
effectively, and it would help to have this info.

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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Geert Uytterhoeven]

On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jason Y. Sproul wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Tom Rini wrote:
> 
> > R5 RSN. <g>
> 
> Are we talking O(weeks) or O(days) here? I'm trying to budget my time
> effectively, and it would help to have this info.

Just install Debian-unstable and be happy with glibc-2.1.

Greetings,

						Geert

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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Tom Rini]

On Mon, 3 May 1999, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:

> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jason Y. Sproul wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Tom Rini wrote:
> > 
> > > R5 RSN. <g>
> > 
> > Are we talking O(weeks) or O(days) here? I'm trying to budget my time
> > effectively, and it would help to have this info.
> 
> Just install Debian-unstable and be happy with glibc-2.1.

Yeah, but then you miss out on the nifty RH6-based installer.  The last
few "betas" and what's on linuxppc.slackers.cx has been rather stable.

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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Joel Klecker]

At 15:10 -0400 1999-05-03, Tom Rini wrote:
>On Mon, 3 May 1999, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>> Just install Debian-unstable and be happy with glibc-2.1.
>
>Yeah, but then you miss out on the nifty RH6-based installer.

Some of us don't consider that a bad thing. ;-P
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Re: Mozilla for PPC

[Tom Rini]

On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jason Y. Sproul wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 3 May 1999, Tom Rini wrote:
> 
> > R5 RSN. <g>
> 
> Are we talking O(weeks) or O(days) here? I'm trying to budget my time
> effectively, and it would help to have this info.

Sometime between now and the end of the world, definatly before y3k and
possibly before Wayne Gretzcy(sp?) Jr makes the NHL. :)

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