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From: "Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
To: "Matt Sealey" <matt@genesi-usa.com>,
	"PowerPC dev list" <Linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: Revisited, audio codec device tree entries.
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:22:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e4733910711181622q4b1c33dt87de6d73f7f75bc7@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071119001209.GD20794@localhost.localdomain>

On 11/18/07, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 11:31:13PM +0000, Matt Sealey wrote:
> > Matt Sealey wrote:
> > > Jon Smirl wrote:
> > >
> > > If you require the codec to be subservient to some "fabric" then I
> > > suggest you make a "sound" node with a compatible entry which is
> > > defined as something specific to your board (digispeaker,audio) and
> > > let your driver pick that up and then switch on the model (rather like
> > > Apple's layout-id) of that device to pick out the specifics of that
> > > fabric. If it needs an audio codec (ac97 or i2s) and a control
> > > interface (i2c or spi) then it knows which ones it is looking for
> > > based on the model.
> >
> > Sigh, I suck, I forgot the example :D
> >
> > And I forgot the rant you guys usually get - for god's sake, why isn't
> > anyone using the "model" property? Do I have to whine about this some
> > more to get your attention, guys? name, device_type, compatible and
> > model are your tools for building device trees and detecting
> > things. That's FOUR unique properties.
> >
> > How come I only see device trees defined using "name", with the same
> > device_type, and "compatible"? This is braindead design.
>
> Gah!  For the benefit of others on this list who may be misled.
>
> *Neither* of you correctly understands the device tree, what I've seen
> of *both* your suggested approaches is crap.

I'm awaiting guidance on how to do the device tree. I just want to
figure out some way of getting my drivers loaded. I make no claim to
having any expertise in device tree design.

There are two classes of codecs, ones where control/data is combined
and one where they are separate. Common examples - combined: ac97, hda
- separate i2s + i2c. Then there is this fabric stuff which glues a
generic codec driver into a specific board layout. While a generic
AC97 design may not need a fabric driver, most other designs need it.

If someone were to put an example into the Docmentation file, I'd follow it.

>
> The device tree describes the _hardware_.  If you start reasoning
> about how to lay out the device tree based on your driver model,
> you're already wrong.
>
> Matt, the various properties you list do not mean what you think they
> mean.
>
> name - should be named according to the generic names convention.
> It's pretty much arbitrary, meant for human readability of the device
> tree.  Drivers should not depend on it (some do, historically, but new
> drivers and trees should not).
>
> device_type - indicates the open firmware method interface for the
> device.  Therefore, meaningless in flattened trees.  No new driver
> should use this.
>
> compatible - *this* is the one for driver selection.  It describes the
> hardware level interface(s) of the device.
>
> model - usually just for debugging / diagnosis / human-readable
> purposes, describes exact model / revision of the hardware.  It can be
> used to enable driver quirks / workarounds for when various devices
> are supposed to be compatible (as encoded in 'compatible') but
> aren't, due to hardware bugs.  However, you should never aim to use it
> this way in design.
>
> --
> David Gibson                    | I'll have my music baroque, and my code
> david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au  | minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
>                                 | _way_ _around_!
> http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson
>


-- 
Jon Smirl
jonsmirl@gmail.com

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-19  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-18 18:10 Revisited, audio codec device tree entries Jon Smirl
2007-11-18 20:16 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-11-18 21:49   ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-18 22:46     ` Matt Sealey
2007-11-18 23:31       ` Matt Sealey
2007-11-18 23:47         ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19  0:12         ` David Gibson
2007-11-19  0:22           ` Jon Smirl [this message]
2007-11-19 12:48           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-11-20  0:22             ` David Gibson
2007-11-19 16:31           ` Matt Sealey
2007-11-19 17:05             ` Scott Wood
2007-11-19 18:55               ` Grant Likely
2007-11-20  0:33             ` David Gibson
2007-11-19 12:07         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-11-19 16:58           ` Matt Sealey
2007-11-20  1:42             ` David Gibson
2007-11-19 14:57       ` Timur Tabi
2007-11-19 15:33         ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19 15:02 ` Timur Tabi
2007-11-19 15:15   ` Jon Loeliger
2007-11-19 15:33   ` Grant Likely
2007-11-19 16:00     ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19 16:31       ` Grant Likely
2007-11-19 16:51         ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19 17:33           ` Grant Likely
2007-11-19 19:20             ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19 19:28               ` Grant Likely
2007-11-20  0:59                 ` David Gibson
2007-11-26 15:51                   ` Timur Tabi
2007-11-26 16:38                     ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-26 16:40                       ` Timur Tabi
2007-11-19 16:45       ` Timur Tabi
2007-11-19 22:37         ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19 16:44     ` Timur Tabi
2007-11-19 16:53       ` Grant Likely
2007-11-19 16:55       ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19 15:37   ` Jon Smirl
2007-11-19 15:42     ` Grant Likely

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