[PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Kumar Gala]

The following board ports are no longer maintained or have become 
obsolete:

adir
ash
beech
cedar
ep405
k2
mcpn765
menf1
oak
pcore
rainier
redwood
sm850
spd823ts

We are there for removing support for them.

- Kumar

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Michael Richardson]

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Kumar, I thought that we had some volunteers to take care of some of
those. I know that I still care about ep405, and I'm willing to maintain
the code.

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Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Eugene Surovegin]

On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:23PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Kumar, I thought that we had some volunteers to take care of some of
> those. I know that I still care about ep405, and I'm willing to maintain
> the code.

Well, it has been almost two months since Kumar asked about maintenance 
for this board. Nothing happened since then.

Why is it not fixed yet? Please, send a patch which fixes it. This is 
the _best_ way to keep this board in the tree, not some empty 
maintenance _promises_.

-- 
Eugene

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Matt Porter]

On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Eugene Surovegin wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:23PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
> > Kumar, I thought that we had some volunteers to take care of some of
> > those. I know that I still care about ep405, and I'm willing to maintain
> > the code.
> 
> Well, it has been almost two months since Kumar asked about maintenance 
> for this board. Nothing happened since then.
> 
> Why is it not fixed yet? Please, send a patch which fixes it. This is 
> the _best_ way to keep this board in the tree, not some empty 
> maintenance _promises_.

When we recover our history from the linuxppc-2.4/2.5 trees we can
show exactly how long it's been since anybody touched ep405.

Quick googling shows that it's been almost 2 years since the last
mention of ep405 (exluding removal discussions) on linuxppc-embedded.
Last ep405-related commits are more than 2 years ago.

-Matt

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Andrew Morton]

Kumar Gala <galak@freescale.com> wrote:
>
> The following board ports are no longer maintained or have become 
>  obsolete:
> 
>  adir
>  ash
>  beech
>  cedar
>  ep405
>  k2
>  mcpn765
>  menf1
>  oak
>  pcore
>  rainier
>  redwood
>  sm850
>  spd823ts
> 
>  We are there for removing support for them.

I'll merge all these into -mm for now, but will hold off sending any of
them upstream pending confirmation of which patches we really want to
proceed with.

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Kumar Gala]

On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:15 PM, Matt Porter wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Eugene Surovegin wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:23PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> Kumar, I thought that we had some volunteers to take care of some of
>>> those. I know that I still care about ep405, and I'm willing to
>>>
> maintain
>
>>> the code.
>>>
>>
>> Well, it has been almost two months since Kumar asked about
>>
> maintenance
>
>> for this board. Nothing happened since then.
>>
>> Why is it not fixed yet? Please, send a patch which fixes it. This is
>> the _best_ way to keep this board in the tree, not some empty
>> maintenance _promises_.
>>
>
> When we recover our history from the linuxppc-2.4/2.5 trees we can
> show exactly how long it's been since anybody touched ep405.
>
> Quick googling shows that it's been almost 2 years since the last
> mention of ep405 (exluding removal discussions) on linuxppc-embedded.
> Last ep405-related commits are more than 2 years ago.

So we are ok with it being removed.  This seems to be the only board  
port that I removed that has caused any noise.

- kumar

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Kumar Gala]

On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:

> Kumar Gala <galak@freescale.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The following board ports are no longer maintained or have become
>>  obsolete:
>>
>>  adir
>>  ash
>>  beech
>>  cedar
>>  ep405
>>  k2
>>  mcpn765
>>  menf1
>>  oak
>>  pcore
>>  rainier
>>  redwood
>>  sm850
>>  spd823ts
>>
>>  We are there for removing support for them.
>>
>
> I'll merge all these into -mm for now, but will hold off sending  
> any of
> them upstream pending confirmation of which patches we really want to
> proceed with.

Sounds good.  We will get to some resolution on the ep405 which seems  
the be the only system that people are making noise on today.

- kumar

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Michael Richardson]

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>>>>> "Kumar" == Kumar Gala <kumar.gala@freescale.com> writes:
    >> When we recover our history from the linuxppc-2.4/2.5 trees we
    >> can show exactly how long it's been since anybody touched ep405.
    >> 
    >> Quick googling shows that it's been almost 2 years since the last
    >> mention of ep405 (exluding removal discussions) on
    >> linuxppc-embedded.  Last ep405-related commits are more than 2
    >> years ago.

  So, I'll bet I can find other parts of the kernel tree that haven't
been touched in 2 years.  Maybe there isn't anything to fix?

  Happens that in our case,
	  a) the board is the basis to our own board.
	  b) we only moved to 2.6 in May.

  So, I just don't get removing board support files.

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Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Esben Nielsen]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Matt Porter wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Eugene Surovegin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:23PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
> > > Kumar, I thought that we had some volunteers to take care of some of
> > > those. I know that I still care about ep405, and I'm willing to maintain
> > > the code.
> > 
> > Well, it has been almost two months since Kumar asked about maintenance 
> > for this board. Nothing happened since then.
> > 
> > Why is it not fixed yet? Please, send a patch which fixes it. This is 
> > the _best_ way to keep this board in the tree, not some empty 
> > maintenance _promises_.
> 
> When we recover our history from the linuxppc-2.4/2.5 trees we can
> show exactly how long it's been since anybody touched ep405.
> 
> Quick googling shows that it's been almost 2 years since the last
> mention of ep405 (exluding removal discussions) on linuxppc-embedded.
> Last ep405-related commits are more than 2 years ago.
> 
I don't follow that reasoning. Even broken drivers(board support files,
whateever) are better than non.

Take ArcNet support forinstance. Clearly it hadn't been used in any 2.6
kernel up until around 2.6.10. It was highly broken (call to
uninitialized function pointer). But I needed it. I fixed it and send the
patch so it works from 2.6.11 and up.  If the driver had been dropped in
the 2.6 series because nobody actively maintained it, I  wouldn't have got
around to fix it at all and was probably forced to use another OS for my
perpose.  

But because the driver was still in there and somebody had made sure it
was updated along the changes to the API in the 2.6 kernel, it was easy
for me to fix it although I didn't know so much about the kernel internals
at that time.

Esben

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Kumar Gala]

On Jul 29, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Esben Nielsen wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Matt Porter wrote:
>
>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Eugene Surovegin wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:13:23PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kumar, I thought that we had some volunteers to take care of some
>>>>
> of
>
>>>> those. I know that I still care about ep405, and I'm willing to
>>>>
> maintain
>
>>>> the code.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it has been almost two months since Kumar asked about
>>>
> maintenance
>
>>> for this board. Nothing happened since then.
>>>
>>> Why is it not fixed yet? Please, send a patch which fixes it. This
>>>
> is
>
>>> the _best_ way to keep this board in the tree, not some empty
>>> maintenance _promises_.
>>>
>>
>> When we recover our history from the linuxppc-2.4/2.5 trees we can
>> show exactly how long it's been since anybody touched ep405.
>>
>> Quick googling shows that it's been almost 2 years since the last
>> mention of ep405 (exluding removal discussions) on linuxppc-embedded.
>> Last ep405-related commits are more than 2 years ago.
>>
>>
> I don't follow that reasoning. Even broken drivers(board support  
> files,
> whateever) are better than non.
>
> Take ArcNet support forinstance. Clearly it hadn't been used in any  
> 2.6
> kernel up until around 2.6.10. It was highly broken (call to
> uninitialized function pointer). But I needed it. I fixed it and send
> the
> patch so it works from 2.6.11 and up.  If the driver had been  
> dropped in
> the 2.6 series because nobody actively maintained it, I  wouldn't have
> got
> around to fix it at all and was probably forced to use another OS  
> for my
> perpose.
>
> But because the driver was still in there and somebody had made  
> sure it
> was updated along the changes to the API in the 2.6 kernel, it was  
> easy
> for me to fix it although I didn't know so much about the kernel
> internals
> at that time.

The code will still exist in older kernel releases so if someone  
needs to bring it up to date they can.  We are more than willing to  
take patches to fix any issues.

Let's be clear.  I posted a request several weeks ago in which anyone  
was free to comment on the various board ports that existed and their  
maintainership.

- kumar

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Kumar Gala]

Andrew,

Can you drop the ep405 removal patch.  We've got someone to take  
ownership.

- kumar

On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:

> Kumar Gala <galak@freescale.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The following board ports are no longer maintained or have become
>>  obsolete:
>>
>>  adir
>>  ash
>>  beech
>>  cedar
>>  ep405
>>  k2
>>  mcpn765
>>  menf1
>>  oak
>>  pcore
>>  rainier
>>  redwood
>>  sm850
>>  spd823ts
>>
>>  We are there for removing support for them.
>>
>
> I'll merge all these into -mm for now, but will hold off sending  
> any of
> them upstream pending confirmation of which patches we really want to
> proceed with.
>

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Kumar Gala]

On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:

> Kumar Gala <galak@freescale.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The following board ports are no longer maintained or have become
>>  obsolete:
>>
>>  adir
>>  ash
>>  beech
>>  cedar
>>  ep405
>>  k2
>>  mcpn765
>>  menf1
>>  oak
>>  pcore
>>  rainier
>>  redwood
>>  sm850
>>  spd823ts
>>
>>  We are there for removing support for them.
>>
>
> I'll merge all these into -mm for now, but will hold off sending  
> any of
> them upstream pending confirmation of which patches we really want to
> proceed with.

No one has screamed about anything but ep405 so all the others should  
go to Linus now.

- kumar

Re: [PATCH 00/14] ppc32: Remove board ports that are no longer maintained

[Eugene Surovegin]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 08:46:22PM -0500, Kumar Gala wrote:
> 
> On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> >Kumar Gala <galak@freescale.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>The following board ports are no longer maintained or have become
> >> obsolete:
> >>
> >> adir
> >> ash
> >> beech
> >> cedar
> >> ep405
> >> k2
> >> mcpn765
> >> menf1
> >> oak
> >> pcore
> >> rainier
> >> redwood
> >> sm850
> >> spd823ts
> >>
> >> We are there for removing support for them.
> >>
> >
> >I'll merge all these into -mm for now, but will hold off sending  
> >any of
> >them upstream pending confirmation of which patches we really want to
> >proceed with.
> 
> No one has screamed about anything but ep405 so all the others should  
> go to Linus now.

Matt told me he would probably get ash soon. There is even a path in 
the -mm queue which should fix ethernet on this board.

Matt?

-- 
Eugene