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From: Trent Piepho <tpiepho@freescale.com>
To: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:55:46 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805201535290.7453@t2.domain.actdsltmp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4833524C.3040207@freescale.com>

On Tue, 20 May 2008, Scott Wood wrote:
> Alan Cox wrote:
>> >  It looks like we rely on -fno-strict-aliasing to prevent reordering 
>> >  ordinary memory accesses (such as to DMA descriptors) past the I/O
>>
>>  DMA descriptors in main memory are dependant on cache behaviour anyway
>>  and the dma_* operators should be the ones enforcing the needed behaviour.
>
> What about memory obtained from dma_alloc_coherent()?  We still need a sync 
> and a compiler barrier.  The current I/O accessors have the former, but not 
> the latter.

There doesn't appear to be any barriers to use for coherent dma other than
mb() and wmb().

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the sync isn't actually _required_ (by
memory-barriers.txt's definitions), and it would be enough to use eieio,
except there is code that doesn't use mmiowb() between I/O access and
unlocking.

So, as I understand it, the minimum needed is eieio.  To provide strict
ordering w.r.t. spin locks without using mmiowb(), you need sync.  To provide
strict ordering w.r.t. normal memory, you need sync and a compiler barrier.

Right now no archs provide the last option.  powerpc is currently the middle
option.  I don't know if anything uses the first option, maybe alpha?  I'm
almost certain x86 is the middle option (the first isn't possible, the arch
already has more ordering than that), which is probably why powerpc used that
option and not the first.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-20 23:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-20 20:40 [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 21:38   ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:02     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:21       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:15     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 22:35       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:39         ` David Miller
2008-05-20 22:43           ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:53             ` David Miller
2008-05-23  4:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-22 22:56                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-23 12:36                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering (Was: [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 12:50                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 21:14                       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-23 22:47                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:33                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:40                     ` David Miller
2008-05-27  2:15                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  2:28                         ` David Miller
2008-05-27  3:39                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 16:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 17:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 10:36                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-02 21:53                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:12                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 18:23                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 18:33                                 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-27 21:10                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 21:53                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 21:46                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 22:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:42                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 22:17                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-28  8:36                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-29 11:05                                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2008-05-30  1:13                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:07                                             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  7:24                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  8:27                                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  9:22                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-02  8:11                                                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-02 15:48                                                       ` Scott Wood
2008-06-03  7:46                                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-04 15:31                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 22:19                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29  7:10                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-29 10:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-06-02  7:24                                       ` Russell King
2008-06-03  4:16                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  4:32                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  6:48                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:53                                               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-03  7:18                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 14:47                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-03 18:47                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 18:55                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 19:57                                                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:35                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:58                                                     ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:00                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:07                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04  2:05                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  2:46                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 11:47                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-06-10  6:56                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-10 17:41                                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-10 18:10                                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-06-10 19:05                                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-06-10 19:19                                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-11  3:29                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  3:40                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-11  4:06                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 16:07                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-12 11:27                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  4:18                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:00                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  5:13                                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:35                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  6:02                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12 12:14                                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-12 13:08                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 14:46                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-11  5:20                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-04  2:19                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:43                                           ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:33                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:44                                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:25                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  6:39                                                   ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 22:26                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  3:42                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  4:08                             ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27  4:20                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  7:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:50                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 16:37                                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 17:38                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 17:53                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 18:07                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 18:17                                         ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 21:23                                         ` Chris Friesen
2008-05-27 21:29                                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 23:04                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-27 21:11                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:33                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 22:13                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 22:39                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 14:47                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 15:01                                       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-30  9:36                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30 17:21                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-31  7:57                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-05-29 21:40                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:48                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 22:05                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:53                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 21:53                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-30  9:39                                           ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30  9:48                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-31  8:14                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  9:48                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 22:06                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 22:25                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-30  3:56                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-31  7:52                                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-02  9:56                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-02 21:02                                           ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  4:33                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:15                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  8:19                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:45                                                 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 16:52                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-05  8:40                                               ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-05  8:43                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-12 15:07                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-13  0:07                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-31  8:04                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-27  8:24                           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 15:28                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 22:55         ` Trent Piepho [this message]
2008-05-21 14:01           ` [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:00     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-21 19:44       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 20:41         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 22:11   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:47     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 23:14       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21  8:03         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-21 20:25           ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 23:48           ` [PATCH V2] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_[bl]eXX() " Trent Piepho

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