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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Olga Kornievskaia <kolga@netapp.com>,
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	"Naveen N. Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.ibm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple kmem_cache_free callback
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 02:31:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zmo9-YGraiCj5-MI@zx2c4.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zmov7ZaL-54T9GiM@zx2c4.com>

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 01:31:57AM +0200, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 03:37:55PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 02:33:05PM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > On Sun,  9 Jun 2024 10:27:12 +0200 Julia Lawall wrote:
> > > > Since SLOB was removed, it is not necessary to use call_rcu
> > > > when the callback only performs kmem_cache_free. Use
> > > > kfree_rcu() directly.
> > > > 
> > > > The changes were done using the following Coccinelle semantic patch.
> > > > This semantic patch is designed to ignore cases where the callback
> > > > function is used in another way.
> > > 
> > > How does the discussion on:
> > >   [PATCH] Revert "batman-adv: prefer kfree_rcu() over call_rcu() with free-only callbacks"
> > >   https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240612133357.2596-1-linus.luessing@c0d3.blue/
> > > reflect on this series? IIUC we should hold off..
> > 
> > We do need to hold off for the ones in kernel modules (such as 07/14)
> > where the kmem_cache is destroyed during module unload.
> > 
> > OK, I might as well go through them...
> > 
> > [PATCH 01/14] wireguard: allowedips: replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple kmem_cache_free callback
> > 	Needs to wait, see wg_allowedips_slab_uninit().
> 
> Right, this has exactly the same pattern as the batman-adv issue:
> 
>     void wg_allowedips_slab_uninit(void)
>     {
>             rcu_barrier();
>             kmem_cache_destroy(node_cache);
>     }
> 
> I'll hold off on sending that up until this matter is resolved.

BTW, I think this whole thing might be caused by:

    a35d16905efc ("rcu: Add basic support for kfree_rcu() batching")

The commit message there mentions:

    There is an implication with rcu_barrier() with this patch. Since the
    kfree_rcu() calls can be batched, and may not be handed yet to the RCU
    machinery in fact, the monitor may not have even run yet to do the
    queue_rcu_work(), there seems no easy way of implementing rcu_barrier()
    to wait for those kfree_rcu()s that are already made. So this means a
    kfree_rcu() followed by an rcu_barrier() does not imply that memory will
    be freed once rcu_barrier() returns.

Before that, a kfree_rcu() used to just add a normal call_rcu() into the
list, but with the function offset < 4096 as a special marker. So the
kfree_rcu() calls would be treated alongside the other call_rcu() ones
and thus affected by rcu_barrier(). Looks like that behavior is no more
since this commit.

Rather than getting rid of the batching, which seems good for
efficiency, I wonder if the right fix to this would be adding a
`should_destroy` boolean to kmem_cache, which kmem_cache_destroy() sets
to true. And then right after it checks `if (number_of_allocations == 0)
actually_destroy()`, and likewise on each kmem_cache_free(), it could
check `if (should_destroy && number_of_allocations == 0)
actually_destroy()`. This way, the work is delayed until it's safe to do
so. This might also mitigate other lurking bugs of bad code that calls
kmem_cache_destroy() before kmem_cache_free().

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-13  0:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-09  8:27 [PATCH 00/14] replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple kmem_cache_free callback Julia Lawall
2024-06-09  8:27 ` [PATCH 03/14] KVM: PPC: " Julia Lawall
2024-06-12 21:33 ` [PATCH 00/14] " Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-12 22:37   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-12 22:46     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-12 22:52     ` Jens Axboe
2024-06-12 23:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-12 23:31     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13  0:31       ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2024-06-13  3:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 12:22           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 12:46             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 14:11               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 15:12                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 15:10             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 16:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 17:23                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 18:42                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 21:08                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-18  9:31                       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-18 16:48                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-18 17:21                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-18 17:53                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-19  9:28                               ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-19 16:46                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-21  9:32                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-07-15 20:39                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-07-24 13:53                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-24 14:40                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-08 16:41                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-08 20:02                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-09 17:08                                           ` Julia Lawall
2024-10-09 21:02                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-19  9:51                           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-19  9:56                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-19 11:22                               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 18:54                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-17 21:34                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-13 14:17           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-13 14:53             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 11:58     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-13 12:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 13:06         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 15:06           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 17:38             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 17:45               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-13 17:58                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-13 18:13                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-14 12:35                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-14 14:17                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-14 14:50                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-14 19:33                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 13:50                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 14:56                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 16:30                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 16:33                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 16:38                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 17:04                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 21:19                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-17 16:42                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 16:57                                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-06-17 17:19                                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-17 14:37                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-10-08 16:36 ` Vlastimil Babka

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