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From: Dimitri Daskalakis <dimitri.daskalakis1@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Christophe Leroy <chleroy@kernel.org>,
	Mahesh J Salgaonkar <mahesh@linux.ibm.com>,
	Oliver O'Halloran <oohall@gmail.com>,
	Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Ankit Agrawal <ankita@nvidia.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Oleksandr Tyshchenko <oleksandr_tyshchenko@epam.com>,
	Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexanderduyck@fb.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Dimitri Daskalakis <daskald@meta.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/12] PCI: Add support for Scalable I/O Virtualization
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2026 16:49:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a07763e2-aff3-4468-83c2-d50a9e1605c8@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260604182031.GB2487554@ziepe.ca>


On 6/4/26 11:20 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 08:01:41AM -0700, Dimitri Daskalakis wrote:
>> With this patchset core enumarates the SIOV capability and can identify
>> SIOV PFs. But there is no central mechanism to allocate/manage SIOV VFs.
>> To support device pass through, devices will need to add a vfio-mdev
>> driver with IOMMUFD support (or something similar).
> 
> There is an enormous amount of missing work to do something useful
> with the SIOVr2 stuff. IIRC there is even supposed to be BIOS
> components in this plan and there are some missing PCI SIG topics too
> IIRC.
> 
> So, I'm not sure how much value there is in merging just the cap
> discovery without a roadmap for the missing parts..
> 
> Also, I'm quite surprised to see this out of the blue, there is an OCP
> workstream that was building out a standard that outlines how all the
> different components have to act to successfully implement it.  What
> is in PCI SIG was just some minor foundational adjustments without any
> context on how to form them into a solution.
> 
> I think it is extremely premature to merge anything related to SIOV to
> the kernel. Join the OCP work stream if you are interested. I think
> the general feeling was there is not sufficient interest in the
> industry to do this and it has gone quiet.
> 
> Jason

Hey Jason, thanks for the feedback. We (at Meta) are definitely
interested in SIOV-like capabilities for device passthrough to containers.

For those scenarios, having PCIe transactions per RID plus IOMMU
isolation is enough, but I can imagine hypervisors/VMs requiring more
platform support.

I hear you on the broader support story being premature. But on the
other hand, this series unblocks experimentation at the driver level
for basic data path validation.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-05  2:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-04 15:01 [RFC 00/12] PCI: Add support for Scalable I/O Virtualization Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 01/12] PCI: Add helpers to identify SR-IOV PFs/VFs Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 02/12] PCI: Convert iov.c to pci_is_sriov_* helpers Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 03/12] PCI: Convert pci.h " Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 04/12] PCI: Convert arch/powerpc " Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 05/12] PCI: Convert s390/pci/pci.c " Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 06/12] PCI: Convert vfio_pci_core.c " Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 07/12] PCI: Convert xen-pciback and pci-driver " Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:11   ` Juergen Gross
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 08/12] PCI: Add is_sriov bit to struct pci_dev Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 09/12] PCI: Add helper to compute VF Routing ID to pci.h Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 10/12] PCI: Add Scalable I/O Virtualization data structure definitions Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 11/12] PCI: Initialize and release SIOV capability Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 15:01 ` [RFC 12/12] PCI: Reserve bus range for SIOV devices Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-06-04 18:20 ` [RFC 00/12] PCI: Add support for Scalable I/O Virtualization Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-04 23:49   ` Dimitri Daskalakis [this message]
2026-06-04 23:53     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-05  0:59     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  4:14 ` Christoph Hellwig

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