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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
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Subject: Re: [TECH TOPIC] Reaching consensus on CONFIG_HIGHMEM phaseout
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 02:46:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMDYdp3H-yOHU1Pm@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ff89b72-03ff-4447-9d21-dd6a5fe1550f@app.fastmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 11:23:37PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> While removing a feature that is actively used is clearly a regression
> and not normally done, I expect removing highmem is going to happen
> at some point anyway when there are few enough users, but the question
> is when that time will be.

I don't mind that the feature remains ... unless it causes us trouble.
Which it currently does.  Perhaps we could start by removing HIGHPTE?
There was a certain amount of complexity introduced into the page fault
path when support for that was introduced.  x86 removed support for it,
so it's just ARM left before we can remove the complexity again.

Most of the other pain points are around storing metadata (directories,
superblocks, etc) in page cache highmem.  I think we can get rid of that
now too.

I don't see any particular need to gt rid of file data stored in highmem,
nor anonymous memory stored in highmem.  And if we're only talking
about hundreds of megabytes of memory, I think anon+ file pagecache is
probably most of the memory in the system already unless you have some
very weird workloads.

Where we may want to be a bit careful is some people have Plans to
reuse the kmap infrastructure to support things like unmapping the
pagecacheto protect against spectre-eqsue attacks.  I know Intel was
working on this when 3dxp was going to be a Thing, but it's recently
been brought back:

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20250812173109.295750-1-jackmanb@google.com/



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-10  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-09 21:23 [TECH TOPIC] Reaching consensus on CONFIG_HIGHMEM phaseout Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-09 21:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-09 22:24   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-09-09 22:39     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-10  1:06     ` René Herman
2025-09-10  1:46 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-09-10  9:49   ` Linus Walleij
2025-09-10 12:17   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-10 12:32     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-10 13:10 ` Linus Walleij
2025-09-10 14:04   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-10 15:13     ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-10 14:04 ` Richard Weinberger
2025-09-10 16:34   ` Dave Hansen
2025-09-10 20:33     ` Richard Weinberger
2025-09-10 21:56       ` René Herman
2025-09-12 10:30       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-12 12:46         ` Linus Walleij
2025-10-06 20:15         ` Richard Weinberger
2025-09-10 17:11   ` Christophe Leroy
2025-09-10 19:37     ` Richard Weinberger
2025-09-11  5:38 ` Andreas Larsson
2025-09-11  7:53   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-12  9:32     ` Andreas Larsson
2025-09-12  9:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-12 10:17       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-12  9:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-09-12 13:16     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-12 16:49 ` Nicolas Ferre
2025-09-12 21:09   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-17 12:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-18 13:12   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-18 13:34     ` Andrew Lunn
2025-09-18 16:18       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-18 16:32         ` Andrew Lunn
2025-09-19  7:17     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-09-19 14:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-19 14:34         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22  6:58           ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-22 17:05             ` Nicolas Schichan
2025-09-22 21:22               ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-09-19 14:41       ` Nicolas Ferre
2025-09-19 14:22     ` Nicolas Ferre

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