From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <linux@treblig.org>
To: Finn Thain <fthain@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Stan Johnson <userm57@yahoo.com>,
mpe@ellerman.id.au, npiggin@gmail.com,
christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu, sam@ravnborg.org,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rdunlap@infradead.org,
Cedar Maxwell <cedarmaxwell@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] powerpc: Use shared font data
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 01:48:39 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQgJ95Y3pA-8GdbP@gallifrey> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20108eef-b7cf-3f23-264a-5d97021f9ffa@linux-m68k.org>
* Finn Thain (fthain@linux-m68k.org) wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
>
> >
> > So I'm not a PPC person specifically; so lets see if the PPC people have
> > any suggestions, but:
> >
> > a) Do you know if there's any way to recreate the same hang/works
> > combination in qemu; I know it has a g3beige model but I don't know how
> > to get something similar to your failing combo.
> >
>
> I guess we could probably reproduce this in QEMU if the BootX bootloader
> could be made to work there. In theory, 'qemu-system-ppc -M g3beige' might
> work.
>
> > b) Can you get any diagnostics out of the prom on the mac? Like a PC
> > or anything to have some idea where it hung?
> >
>
> Well, that's the problem: if you enable the CONFIG_BOOTX_TEXT diagnostics,
> the system hangs instead of printing stuff. If you disable the
> CONFIG_BOOTX_TEXT diagnostics (in favour of serial diagnostics) the hang
> goes away.
Ah, a bug that doesn't like to be seen :-)
> Anyway, I imagine that the problem with your patch was that it relies on
> font data from a different (read only) section, which is unavailable for
> some reason (MMU not fully configured yet?)
>
> So I've asked Stan to test a patch that simply removes the relevant
> 'const' keywords. It's not a solution, but might narrow-down the search.
I wonder if this is a compiler-flag-ism; I see arch/powerpc/kernel/Makefile
has a pile of special flags, and for btext.o it has a -fPIC
(as well as turning off some other flags).
I wonder if bodging those in lib/fonts/Makefile for lib/fonts/font_sun8x16.c
fixes it?
But... this is data - there's no code is there - are any of those flags
relevant for data only?
> > c) Is this only the Powerbooks that are unhappy - are other Macs OK
> > with this - if so, wth is the difference with a powerbook? Is it a
> > different debian config or something?
> >
>
> The BootX bootloader doesn't work on New World systems, which is probably
> why we don't see this regression on anything newer than a Wallstreet.
>
> It's likely that other Old World systems are also affected, if they are
> using BootX. We don't yet know whether the regression also affects Old
> World systems using the iQUIK bootloader instead of BootX.
OK, remember I don't think I've ever tried PPC via MacOS booting, so not
familiar with it.
Dave
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-03 1:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-25 14:27 [PATCH v4] powerpc: Use shared font data linux
2023-09-30 13:15 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-10-01 12:08 ` Michael Ellerman
2023-10-02 12:21 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-10-15 10:04 ` Michael Ellerman
2025-11-02 5:02 ` Stan Johnson
2025-11-02 11:20 ` Finn Thain
2025-11-02 17:09 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-11-02 19:01 ` Stan Johnson
2025-11-03 1:33 ` Finn Thain
2025-11-03 1:48 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2025-11-03 7:26 ` Finn Thain
2025-11-04 17:59 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-11-04 19:49 ` Stan Johnson
2025-11-04 21:59 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-11-05 4:13 ` QEMU limitations, was " Finn Thain
2025-11-05 14:58 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-11-05 21:44 ` Christophe Leroy
2025-11-05 23:48 ` Finn Thain
2025-11-06 4:11 ` Finn Thain
2025-11-06 9:28 ` Christophe Leroy
2025-11-06 11:50 ` Finn Thain
2025-11-06 12:07 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
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