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From: Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au>
To: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-m68k <linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 24/25] powerpc: Adopt nvram module for PPC64
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:52:38 +1100 (AEDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.21.1901071533060.30@nippy.intranet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8736q5xst1.fsf@concordia.ellerman.id.au>

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019, Michael Ellerman wrote:

> Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> writes:
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:43 AM Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> +static ssize_t ppc_nvram_get_size(void)
> >> +{
> >> +       if (ppc_md.nvram_size)
> >> +               return ppc_md.nvram_size();
> >> +       return -ENODEV;
> >> +}
> >
> >> +const struct nvram_ops arch_nvram_ops = {
> >> +       .read           = ppc_nvram_read,
> >> +       .write          = ppc_nvram_write,
> >> +       .get_size       = ppc_nvram_get_size,
> >> +       .sync           = ppc_nvram_sync,
> >> +};
> >
> > Coming back to this after my comment on the m68k side, I notice that
> > there is now a double indirection through function pointers. Have you
> > considered completely removing the operations from ppc_md instead
> > by having multiple copies of nvram_ops?
> >
> > With the current method, it does seem odd to have a single
> > per-architecture instance of the exported structure containing
> > function pointers. This doesn't give us the flexibility of having
> > multiple copies in the kernel the way that ppc_md does, but it adds
> > overhead compared to simply exporting the functions directly.
> 
> Yeah TBH I'm not convinced the arch ops is the best solution.
> 
> Why can't each arch just implement the required ops functions? On ppc
> we'd still use ppc_md but that would be a ppc detail.
> 
> Optional ops are fairly easy to support by providing a default
> implementation, eg. instead of:
> 
> +	if (arch_nvram_ops.get_size == NULL)
> +		return -ENODEV;
> +
> +	nvram_size = arch_nvram_ops.get_size();
> +	if (nvram_size < 0)
> +		return nvram_size;
> 
> 
> We do in some header:
> 
> #ifndef arch_nvram_get_size
> static inline int arch_nvram_get_size(void)
> {
> 	return -ENODEV;
> }
> #endif
> 
> And then:
> 
> 	nvram_size = arch_nvram_get_size();
> 	if (nvram_size < 0)
> 		return nvram_size;
> 
> 
> But I haven't digested the whole series so maybe I'm missing something?
> 

The reason why that doesn't work boils down to introspection. (This was 
mentioned elsewhere in this email thread.) For example, we presently have 
code like this,

ssize_t nvram_get_size(void)
{
       if (ppc_md.nvram_size)
               return ppc_md.nvram_size();
       return -1;
}
EXPORT_SYMBOL(nvram_get_size);

This construction means we get to decide at run-time which of the NVRAM 
functions should be used. (Whereas your example makes a build-time decision.)

The purpose of arch_nvram_ops is much the same. That is, it does for m68k 
and x86 what ppc_md already does for ppc32 and ppc64. (And once these 
platforms share an API like this, they can share more driver code, and 
reduce duplicated code.)

The approach taken in this series was to push the arch_nvram_ops approach 
as far as possible, because by making everything fit into that regime it 
immediately became apparent where architectures and platforms have 
diverged, creating weird inconsistencies like the differences in sync 
ioctl behaviour between ppc32 and ppc64 for core99. (Early revisions of 
this series exposed more issues like bugs and dead code that got addressed 
elsewhere.)

Problem is, as Arnd pointed out, powerpc doesn't need both kinds of ops 
struct. So I'm rewriting this series in such a way that powerpc doesn't 
have to implement both. This rewrite is going to look totally different 
for powerpc (though not for x86 or m68k) so you might want to wait for me 
to post v9 before spending more time on code review.

Thanks.

-- 

> cheers
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-07  4:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-26  0:37 [PATCH v8 00/25] Re-use nvram module Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 03/25] m68k/atari: Replace nvram_{read,write}_byte with arch_nvram_ops Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 02/25] m68k/atari: Move Atari-specific code out of drivers/char/nvram.c Finn Thain
2018-12-28 16:51   ` LEROY Christophe
2018-12-29  1:16     ` Finn Thain
2019-01-02 22:29       ` Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 08/25] char/nvram: Implement NVRAM read/write methods Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 23/25] char/generic_nvram: Remove as unused Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 13/25] m68k: Dispatch nvram_ops calls to Atari or Mac functions Finn Thain
2018-12-29 22:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-30  7:26     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-30 17:53       ` LEROY Christophe
2018-12-30 22:12         ` Finn Thain
2018-12-31 12:19           ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 15/25] powerpc: Clean up nvram includes Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 10/25] m68k/mac: Adopt naming and calling conventions for PRAM routines Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 12/25] m68k/mac: Fix PRAM accessors Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 16/25] powerpc: Add missing ppc_md.nvram_size for CHRP and PowerMac Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 05/25] char/nvram: Adopt arch_nvram_ops Finn Thain
2019-01-03  8:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-01-03 22:08     ` Finn Thain
2019-01-04 17:56       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-01-04 22:05         ` Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 06/25] x86/thinkpad_acpi: Use arch_nvram_ops methods instead of nvram_read_byte() and nvram_write_byte() Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 17/25] powerpc: Implement arch_nvram_ops.get_size() and remove old nvram_* exports Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 25/25] powerpc: Remove pmac_xpram_{read,write} functions Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 09/25] m68k/atari: Implement arch_nvram_ops methods and enable CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_NVRAM_OPS Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 19/25] powerpc, fbdev: Use NV_CMODE and NV_VMODE only when CONFIG_PPC32 && CONFIG_PPC_PMAC && CONFIG_NVRAM Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 22/25] powerpc: Remove CONFIG_GENERIC_NVRAM and adopt CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_NVRAM_OPS Finn Thain
2019-01-03  8:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-01-03 22:11     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 18/25] powerpc: Implement nvram sync ioctl Finn Thain
2018-12-29 22:19   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-30  7:25     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-30 23:13       ` Finn Thain
2018-12-31 12:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-31 12:16       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-01-01  1:06         ` Finn Thain
2019-01-02 22:25           ` Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 20/25] powerpc, fbdev: Use arch_nvram_ops methods instead of nvram_read_byte() and nvram_write_byte() Finn Thain
2018-12-29 17:02   ` LEROY Christophe
2018-12-29 23:43     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-31 12:29       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-01-01  1:10         ` Finn Thain
2019-01-05 23:06       ` Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 01/25] scsi/atari_scsi: Don't select CONFIG_NVRAM Finn Thain
2018-12-28 16:38   ` LEROY Christophe
2018-12-29  1:06     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-29  1:33       ` Michael Schmitz
2018-12-29  2:34         ` Finn Thain
2018-12-29  2:50           ` Michael Schmitz
2018-12-29 21:37             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-30 17:50               ` LEROY Christophe
2018-12-30 18:06                 ` James Bottomley
2018-12-30 21:44                   ` Finn Thain
2018-12-30 22:45                     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-29 16:55         ` LEROY Christophe
2018-12-29 18:54           ` Michael Schmitz
2018-12-29  2:54   ` Michael Schmitz
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 07/25] char/nvram: Allow the set_checksum and initialize ioctls to be omitted Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 24/25] powerpc: Adopt nvram module for PPC64 Finn Thain
2018-12-29 22:36   ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-30  3:28     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-31 12:32       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-01-01  1:38         ` Finn Thain
2019-01-04  8:45         ` Finn Thain
2019-01-06 23:36     ` Michael Ellerman
2019-01-07  4:52       ` Finn Thain [this message]
2019-01-08  9:27         ` Michael Ellerman
2019-01-08 22:51           ` Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 21/25] nvram: Drop nvram_* symbol exports and prototypes Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 14/25] char/nvram: Add "devname:nvram" module alias Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 04/25] char/nvram: Re-order functions to remove forward declarations and #ifdefs Finn Thain
2018-12-26  0:37 ` [PATCH v8 11/25] m68k/mac: Use macros for RTC accesses not magic numbers Finn Thain
2018-12-29 22:45 ` [PATCH v8 00/25] Re-use nvram module Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-30  0:09   ` Finn Thain
2018-12-30  4:05     ` Finn Thain
2018-12-31 12:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-31 22:54       ` Finn Thain

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