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From: Shuai Xue <xueshuai@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Robert Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Hanjun Guo <guohanjun@huawei.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Mahesh J Salgaonkar <mahesh@linux.ibm.com>,
	Oliver O'Halloran <oohall@gmail.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	acpica-devel@lists.linux.dev, osandov@osandov.com,
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	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] vmcoreinfo: Track and log recoverable hardware errors
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2025 15:40:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fdb5dced-ea5a-48b8-bbb4-fc3ade7f3df8@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4qh2wbcbzdajh2tvki26qe4tqjazmyvbn7v7aqqhkxpitdrexo@ucch4ppo7i4e>



在 2025/7/24 21:34, Breno Leitao 写道:
> Hello Shuai,
> 
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 04:00:09PM +0800, Shuai Xue wrote:
>> 在 2025/7/23 00:56, Breno Leitao 写道:
>>> Introduce a generic infrastructure for tracking recoverable hardware
>>> errors (HW errors that did not cause a panic) and record them for vmcore
>>> consumption. This aids post-mortem crash analysis tools by preserving
>>> a count and timestamp for the last occurrence of such errors.
>>>
>>> Add centralized logging for three common sources of recoverable hardware
>>> errors:
>>
>> The term "recoverable" is highly ambiguous. Even within the x86
>> architecture, different vendors define errors differently. I'm not
>> trying to be pedantic about classification. As far as I know, for 2-bit
>> memory errors detected by scrub, AMD defines them as deferred errors
>> (DE) and handles them with log_error_deferred, while Intel uses
>> machine_check_poll. For 2-bit memory errors consumed by processes,
>> both Intel and AMD use MCE handling via do_machine_check(). Does your
>> HWERR_RECOV_MCE only focus on synchronous UE errors handled in
>> do_machine_check? What makes it special?
> 
> I understand that deferred errors (DE) detected by memory scrubbing are
> typically silent and may not significantly impact system stability. In
> other words, I’m not convinced that including DE metrics in crash dumps
> would be helpful for correlating crashes with hardware issues—it might
> just add noise.
> 
> Do you think it would be valuable to also log these events within
> log_error_deferred()?

Not really, as you meationed, the DE is typically silent in backgroud.
But I hope it is well documented.
> 
>>> -	if (ghes_severity(estatus->error_severity) >= GHES_SEV_PANIC)
>>> +	sev = ghes_severity(estatus->error_severity);
>>> +	if (sev == GHES_SEV_RECOVERABLE || sev ==  GHES_SEV_CORRECTED)
>>> +		hwerr_log_error_type(HWERR_RECOV_GHES);
>>
>> APEI does not define an error type named GHES. GHES is just a kernel
>> driver name. Many hardware error types can be handled in GHES (see
>> ghes_do_proc), for example, AER is routed by GHES when firmware-first
>> mode is used. As far as I know, firmware-first mode is commonly used in
>> production. Should GHES errors be categorized into AER, memory, and CXL
>> memory instead?
> 
> I also considered slicing the data differently initially, but then
> realized it would add more complexity than necessary for my needs.
> 
> If you believe we should further subdivide the data, I’m happy to do so.
> 
> You’re suggesting a structure like this, which would then map to the
> corresponding CPER_SEC_ sections:
> 
> 	enum hwerr_error_type {
> 	HWERR_RECOV_AER,     // maps to CPER_SEC_PCIE
> 	HWERR_RECOV_MCE,     // maps to default MCE + CPER_SEC_PCIE

CPER_SEC_PCIE is typo?

> 	HWERR_RECOV_CXL,     // maps to CPER_SEC_CXL_*
> 	HWERR_RECOV_MEMORY,  // maps to CPER_SEC_PLATFORM_MEM
> 	}
> 
> Additionally, what about events related to CPU, Firmware, or DMA
> errors—for example, CPER_SEC_PROC, CPER_SEC_FW, CPER_SEC_DMAR? Should we
> include those in the classification as well?

I would like to split a error from ghes to its own type,
it sounds more reasonable. I can not tell what happened from HWERR_RECOV_AERat all :(
> 
> 
> Thanks for your review and for the ongoing discussion!
> --breno

Thanks.
Shuai



  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-25  7:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-22 16:56 [PATCH v3] vmcoreinfo: Track and log recoverable hardware errors Breno Leitao
2025-07-23 14:28 ` kernel test robot
2025-07-23 15:36   ` Breno Leitao
2025-07-23 19:00     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-07-23 23:21       ` Huang, Kai
2025-07-24  8:00 ` Shuai Xue
2025-07-24 13:34   ` Breno Leitao
2025-07-25  7:40     ` Shuai Xue [this message]
2025-07-25 16:16       ` Breno Leitao
2025-07-28  1:08         ` Shuai Xue
2025-07-29 13:48           ` Breno Leitao
2025-07-30  2:13             ` Shuai Xue
2025-07-30 13:11               ` Breno Leitao
2025-07-30 13:50                 ` Shuai Xue
2025-07-30 17:16                   ` Breno Leitao
2025-07-30 16:21                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 17:22                   ` Breno Leitao

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