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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] livepatch,module: Remove .klp.arch and module_disable_ro()
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:45:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200416154514.xqqyvdtm6hjynbx2@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200416153131.GC6164@linux-8ccs.fritz.box>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 05:31:31PM +0200, Jessica Yu wrote:
> > But I still not a fan of the fact that COMING has two different
> > "states".  For example, after your patch, when apply_relocate_add() is
> > called from klp_module_coming(), it can use memcpy(), but when called
> > from klp module init() it has to use text poke.  But both are COMING so
> > there's no way to look at the module state to know which can be used.
> 
> This is a good observation, thanks for bringing it up. I agree that we
> should strive to be consistent with what the module states mean. In my
> head, I think it is easiest to assume/establish the following meanings
> for each module state:
> 
> MODULE_STATE_UNFORMED - no protections. relocations, alternatives,
> ftrace module initialization, etc. any other text modifications are
> in the process of being applied. Direct writes are permissible.
> 
> MODULE_STATE_COMING - module fully formed, text modifications are
> done, protections applied, module is ready to execute init or is
> executing init.
> 
> I wonder if we could enforce the meaning of these two states more
> consistently without needing to add another module state.
> 
> Regarding Peter's patches, with the set_all_modules_text_*() api gone,
> and ftrace reliance on MODULE_STATE_COMING gone (I think?), is there
> anything preventing ftrace_module_init+enable from being called
> earlier (i.e., before complete_formation()) while the module is
> unformed? Then you don't have to move module_enable_ro/nx later and we
> keep the MODULE_STATE_COMING semantics. And if we're enforcing the
> above module state meanings, I would also be OK with moving jump_label
> and static_call out of the coming notifier chain and making them
> explicit calls while the module is still writable.
> 
> Sorry in advance if I missed anything above, I'm still trying to wrap
> my head around which callers need what module state and what module
> permissions :/

Sounds reasonable to me...

BTW, instead of hard-coding the jump-label/static-call/ftrace calls, we
could instead call notifiers with MODULE_STATE_UNFORMED.

-- 
Josh


  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-16 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-14 16:28 [PATCH 0/7] livepatch,module: Remove .klp.arch and module_disable_ro() Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 16:28 ` [PATCH 1/7] livepatch: Apply vmlinux-specific KLP relocations early Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 17:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-14 18:01     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 19:31       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-15 14:30         ` Miroslav Benes
2020-04-15 16:29           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-15 14:34   ` Miroslav Benes
2020-04-15 16:30     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 16:28 ` [PATCH 2/7] livepatch: Remove .klp.arch Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-15 15:18   ` Jessica Yu
2020-04-14 16:28 ` [PATCH 3/7] livepatch: Prevent module-specific KLP rela sections from referencing vmlinux symbols Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 16:28 ` [PATCH 4/7] s390/module: Use s390_kernel_write() for relocations Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-16  8:56   ` Miroslav Benes
2020-04-16 12:06     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-16 13:16       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-17  1:37         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 16:28 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86/module: Use text_poke() " Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 16:28 ` [PATCH 6/7] livepatch: Remove module_disable_ro() usage Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-15 15:02   ` Jessica Yu
2020-04-15 16:33     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-16  9:28       ` Miroslav Benes
2020-04-16 12:10         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 16:28 ` [PATCH 7/7] module: Remove module_disable_ro() Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-14 18:27 ` [PATCH 0/7] livepatch,module: Remove .klp.arch and module_disable_ro() Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-14 19:08   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-15 14:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-15 16:17       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-16 15:31         ` Jessica Yu
2020-04-16 15:45           ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2020-04-17  8:27             ` Miroslav Benes
2020-04-17  8:50               ` Jessica Yu
2020-04-16  9:45     ` Miroslav Benes
2020-04-16 12:20       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-17  9:08         ` Miroslav Benes
2020-04-15  0:57 ` Joe Lawrence
2020-04-15  1:31   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-04-15  1:37     ` Joe Lawrence

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