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From: "Allen Hubbe" <Allen.Hubbe@dell.com>
To: "'Logan Gunthorpe'" <logang@deltatee.com>,
	<linux-ntb@googlegroups.com>, <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "'Jon Mason'" <jdmason@kudzu.us>,
	"'Dave Jiang'" <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	"'Bjorn Helgaas'" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"'Greg Kroah-Hartman'" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"'Kurt Schwemmer'" <kurt.schwemmer@microsemi.com>,
	"'Stephen Bates'" <sbates@raithlin.com>,
	"'Serge Semin'" <fancer.lancer@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 06/16] ntb: add check and comment for link up to mw_count and mw_get_align
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:13:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <000401d2f114$3499f2b0$9dcdd810$@dell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <079047c1-6612-2814-e147-844fabd56b75@deltatee.com>

From: Logan Gunthorpe
> On 6/29/2017 12:11 PM, Allen Hubbe wrote:
> > Nak.  This breaks a work around for stability issues on some hardware.  I am ok with changing the
> comment to say, this is only supported when called after link up.  I would still like to allow these
> to be called at any time.  Specific hardware drivers like Switchtec may return an error.  Upstream
> drivers, of course, should call these after link up: patch 5/16 part of this set looks good.
> 
> If absolutely necessary I can leave this out. But in terms of interface
> design it's _so_ much better to have it in. This change would bring the
> score from a 3 to a 5 on Rusty Russel's Hard to Misuse ranking[1]. To
> quote Rusty:
> 
> "3. Read the documentation and you'll get it right.
> People only read instructions after they've already tied themselves into
> a knot. Then they skim them for keywords and don't read your warnings. I
> don't give an example of this; if this is the best an interface can get
> do, it's in trouble."
> 
> Can someone not just fix the out-of-tree code? And since when is
> out-of-tree code reasonable justification for what's done in upstream?

Unfortunately, it is to work around hardware errata.  That is not so trivial to fix.

The workaround in software is also not acceptable upstream, for doing things like writing directly to the peer's interrupt controller registers, bypassing the ntb doorbells.

> 
> Logan
> 
> [1]http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/index.cgi/tech/2008-03-30.html

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-29 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-29  3:26 [PATCH 00/16] Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 01/16] switchtec: move structure definitions into a common header Logan Gunthorpe
2017-07-05 19:37   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 02/16] switchtec: export class symbol for use in upper layer driver Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 03/16] switchtec: add ntb hardware register definitions Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 04/16] switchtec: add link event notifier callback Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 05/16] ntb: ensure ntb_mw_get_align is only called when the link is up Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29 18:11   ` Allen Hubbe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 06/16] ntb: add check and comment for link up to mw_count and mw_get_align Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29 18:11   ` Allen Hubbe
2017-06-29 19:00     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29 20:13       ` Allen Hubbe [this message]
2017-06-29 20:17         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29 21:27           ` Hubbe, Allen
2017-06-29 21:35           ` Allen Hubbe
2017-06-29 22:14             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 07/16] ntb: ntb_test: ensure the link is up before trying to configure the mws Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 08/16] switchtec_ntb: introduce initial ntb driver Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 09/16] switchtec_ntb: initialize hardware for memory windows Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 10/16] switchtec_ntb: initialize hardware for doorbells and messages Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 11/16] switchtec_ntb: add skeleton ntb driver Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 12/16] switchtec_ntb: add link management Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29 18:11   ` Allen Hubbe
2017-06-29 18:37     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 13/16] switchtec_ntb: implement doorbell registers Logan Gunthorpe
2017-07-05 19:42   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 14/16] switchtec_ntb: implement scratchpad registers Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29 18:11   ` Allen Hubbe
2017-06-29 18:33     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 15/16] switchtec_ntb: add memory window support Logan Gunthorpe
2017-07-05 19:46   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-06-29  3:26 ` [PATCH 16/16] switchtec_ntb: update switchtec documentation with notes for ntb Logan Gunthorpe
2017-06-29 15:15 ` [PATCH 00/16] Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-06-29 15:37   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-07-05 19:47 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-07-05 19:50   ` Logan Gunthorpe

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